at a time when legal immigration was much easier
don't forget, there are illegal Irish immigrants in the US today
more so than Mexican immigrants? prove it
you can read minds now? SPECTACULAR
What's racist is you lumping in all of the immigrants into a single group with a shared philosophy and common ideal. What's racist is pretending that small sections of groups speak for the whole simply because they come from the place.
Because our country's identity is based on immigration, not on maintaining a specific racial or demographic proportion.
There is nothing that says the majority of the population has to be of a certain race or speak a certain language for it to remain American. What would be so wrong about Scots or Italians moving here at the same rate?
I'm not disputing that but to make the comparison as if they were both facing the same situation is asinine.True, but part of national sovereignty is the right of a nation to set its immigration rules as it sees fit. The law is the law.
That's not true at all. How can you claim that the poverty in Ireland was worse than the poverty in Mexico today?Immigrants to the USA from Ireland in the 1840+ timeframe were fleeing starvation, and poverty that'd make the average Mexican of the 1840's look like a king. And yes, I mean that seriously. Travelers through Ireland in that time expressed astonishment at the poverty of the Irish peasants, poverty unlike they had seen anywhere else. The vast majority of illegals in the US today are not fleeing starvation or crushing poverty. They’re here because they can make good money for the most part.
Yet it doesn't change the fact that there are still illegal Irish immigrants here. If it's just a numbers game then why are you ignoring the millions of LEGAL Mexican immigrants that McCain's message was actually geared towards?True, but 10-20,000 Irish illegals are not comparable to 18-20 million mainly Hispanic, mainly Mexican, illegals in their effect on our country. For example, 40% of the inmates in our prisons for serious and violent crime are illegal aliens, most Hispanic, most from Mexico. It’s astonishing to think that about 20-25% of the adult male population of Mexico now lives illegally in the USA. And, the Irish economy has been booming for the past 15 years now, most Irish illegals in the USA don't stay very long before going home.
Wait wait...you think it's somehow an argument to compare the number of institutions founded by legal Irish immigrants to the number of ones founded by illegal Mexican ones?Sure, when did the US government begin the Welfare, AFDC, WIC and Food Stamp programs? Wasn’t it about 1964 under LBJ? What comparable government assistance programs were available to the Irish in the US in 1844? (Hint: virtually none).
And, look to the numerous Catholic affiliated universities, hospitals, poor houses, and orphanages founded by the Irish here in the US in the 1840-1920 time frame.
And the hospital, university, orphanage, etc. founded by Mexican or other Hispanic illegals would be...?
So your friends are representative of the entire Irish community in America? And your mind reading skills must be honed nicely if you're also reading the minds of the entire Mexican community in America. Bravo.I don't have to be a mind reader to talk to my friends and relatives who march in the St. Patrick's Day parades in Boston, Philadelphia, or New York, or to read books and articles about the Irish Americans.
Now give examples of Irish Americans who display the Irish tri-color because their first allegiance is to Ireland and not the US.
You threw the race card.The race card is now thrown.
you said:5. Don't advocate any kind of racist philosophy.
The very nature of your list in your post did just that.And, sorry, but you're using straw man argument there. I never said anything remotely similar to what you assert. I never said all illegal aliens have a shared philosophy or a common ideal. I couldn't care any less if they do or don’t.
No, you said much more than that. You lumped the entire group into one by making comparisons between Irish immigrants and Mexican immigrants.I only said that they are breaking the law by being here, are using resources that they are not paying for in taxes, and are generally having a very detrimental effect on our quality of life. I've seen estimates where my Federal and State taxes are about $2000 per year higher than they would otherwise be if not for the costs associated with illegal aliens. I want that money back for my own family. I need it in fact. I resent it being taken from me to provide services to lawbreakers who have no business being in this country. I couldn’t care any less about their race. And again, Hispanics and Mexicans are of many races. There are White, Black, Brown, Yellow, and etc. Hispanics and Mexicans just as with Americans or Canadians.
What is so hard to understand about wanting people to obey our immigration laws? There is nothing racist about that idea.
That "common culture" only exists because it's a mix of other cultures. The "American culture" is not a static one because no culture is. This culture, like every other that has ever existed and will ever exist, continues to evolve.Wrong, our country is based on assimilating legal immigrants into a common culture with a common language, and instilling in them a commonly held respect for the law and other national institutions.
However, all this NAU and Amero BS is nothing but BS. It's the same conspiracy theory hype as the "black helicopters" and "UN Concentration camps and troops in America." It's put out by people who either make a living off of it (radio jocks, authors) or people with nothing else in their lives but a desire to blame something, anything, for their own failures.
No one is coming to take our guns. We may have to deal with some stupid legislation, but that is the nature of politics.
Of more concern to all of us should be the state of our national economy. I am more worried about the downturn than I am about some idiotic notion of an NAU.
There are enough real things to be afraid of now, we don't need to invent boogeymen.
Culture always changes.
Why wouldn't I be?So, I assume you will be happy with a Spanish speaking culture in 100 years?
Why wouldn't I be?
There's plenty of archived research and literature in spanish. Big deal.Oh, no particular reason if you want to have to translate many decades of archived research, literature etc. into something the masses can read.
Not true, the english language has only existed for 1500 years and technological breakthroughs reach back tens of thousands of years.Not to mention that practically all technological breakthroughs are in English by English speaking people.
it's quite convenient for you when you move the end zone two feet from the line of scrimmage.Feel free to name a few in the past 50 years that weren't and I'll name you 10 to 1 that were.
Ah, so now we get to the real crux of the issue.Cool, we could have a huge, permanent Spanish speaking underclass.
I could say the same to you.LOL. As usual you take some politically correct position which has little to do with the hard reality and facts at hand. The world is not what you think it ought to be, learn to deal with it the way it is.
What exactly gives you cause to say "probably not"? What do you know about latinos that makes them different from the rest of the human race?Will Latinos overcome the liabilities of not being able to speak English? Maybe, probably not. But if they do, how many more generations will it take?
Which refutes your previous point entirely.If you look at the Mexicans that are successful locally they speak English quite well. And they have a lot of non English speaking Mexicans working for them for low wages.
Seems you're not getting the point. You brought up the idea of a spanish speaking population in 100 years. Now you want to twist the argument to something else?What magical transformation do you think is going to change that any time soon? Make a list of the jobs you can do in this country and not speak English. What do they Pay?
If you actually think that the only two variables for a technological breakthrough are language and intelligence then I question what you even define as "technology".Also, if the language has nothing to do with technological breakthroughs then English speakers must simply be smarter, and your historical comparison is meaningless since 90% of all technology is less than 50 years old.