No CCW in restaurants - thoughts

I'm not defending their decision, but my guess is they are worried about a scuffle breaking loose in the bar and someones gun coming loose. All you need is some drunk halfwit picking your gun up off the ground after you just got clobbered by a bar stool from behind :p

Don't tell me your holster wouldn't do that, there is no such thing as perfect or fool proof. Besides if your gun became exposed during the fight even in the holster, and your laying on the ground wondering what year it is, the guy could still grab it.

It's still a dumb law, but at least you CAN concealed carry. In NJ, I have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning.
 
What really helped here in Ga was this.
Some HCI type group was testifying that she "Didn't want these crazy gun toting folks around her kids at McDonalds."
It was pointed out later that "uhhh, that it's already legal to carry there......."
I may have the story wrong.
Anyway now we have the 51% law aslong as we don't consume.
N.C. On the other hand......... they're still fighting it.
Funny, go to www.usacarry.com and look at the states that you can carry under various circumstances.
 
The last AZ governor, now our Sec. of Homeland Security :barf: vetoed a bill that would have let us carry where alcohol is served as long as we aren't drinking.

Now the bill made it through the AZ Senate again and should make it through the House, and our new gov. is a good conservative who supports the bill. Shouldn't be long now.
 
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No problem with alcohol being served in Colorado as long as not drinking. We're only banned from most government buildings, post office, and schools.

Liberty1 is correct. We refer to these banned areas as defenseless zones in CO. Also, a business here in CO may declare itself a defenseless zone by clearly posting "NO GUNS" or "NO WEAPONS" signage at entrances. I ride a motorcycle and the only place I have seen signage like this in CO is at biker bars. These places also have a "NO COLORS" sign at the entrance. As a matter of fact, the only non-biker place I've seen with a "NO GUNS" sign at the entrance was a Nike Outlet store at a mall near the Kansas City Motor Speedway. There really should have been some cubbies or something outside the store so gangsters, shopping for new Air Jordans, could stow their weapons in order to comply. Myself, a law abiding CCW citizen from another state, so unarmed, avoided the store because I felt less safe.

Just so it is clear I'm not "picking" on Nike, there is a Nike Outlet in the mall closest to my home in CO and there is not any kind of signage prohibiting weapons at that particular store. It could be a personal thing with the local manager at the KS mall- must be a liberal.
 
Hell here in WI we can't even carry. Wish I could, last month a man was arrested and his weapon confiscated for open carrying a revolver while on HIS land working in his garden for disorderly conduct. Charges were dropped he still hasn't seen his .357 since. :barf::barf::barf:

Apparently one of his neighbors called the police.
 
In my opinion it is concealed how is anyone going to know you have it? I dont drink but my wife does on occasion and i go into bars with her (to keep her honest LOL) i usually carry my Beretta 22 in a pocket holster in my front pocket. No one can tell it's there so unless i do something stupid Im good to go.
 
By accepting a concealed carry permit, you are telling the authorities you are an honest, law abiding citizen. By flaunting the laws concerning concealed carry in an establishment that serves alcohol shows plainly you have no cares for laws set down by society.

You carry your weapon to prevent others from breaking the law, yet you are also breaking the law, regardless of the fact it may be a foolish law, it is still one.

Tell me, you most likely carry into businesses with posted no weapons signs also don't you?

You are taking a right many of us fought hard to get. One of the reasons judges in Virginia back in the 80's and 90's gave for denying concealed carry was that those given permits would carry where they weren't supposed to.
 
I carry everywhere

I understand all of the points made by sousana, HOWEVER! I carry to protect my family, not to prevent others from breaking the law. I am NOT a cop. Have you ever noticed how many gun crimes, the kind the anti nuts like to point to for justification in taking away our rights, are committed in "gun free zones"? Schools, malls, courthouses, public events and more are mostly designated as "gun free". Yet it is exactly these type of locations that the suicidal whack jobs who just want to kill people invariably choose to committ their lunacy. Why? Because they think no one there will be able to fight back! I carry EVERYWHERE! Especially if I have my kids with me. As the saying goes: "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six." Also: "Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it."
 
I understand that CCW holders are not cops, but we have to follow the law even more so than the standard person, otherwise we risk losing our concealed carry rights. In my state, carrying in a business that is posted is not a crime, but a simply tresspass violation, but in some states, you can be charged criminally, with the risk of losing your freedom and your ccw permit. By CCW holders breaking the law and carrying where they are not allowed, may also cause the state legislature to change their policy on "shall issue" to "may issue" and it could make renewing your permit harder.

How can anyone be shocked at what actions criminals do, when you too are breaking the law? The way I see it, a criminal is a criminal, no matter the charge.
 
A criminal is a criminal, no matter the charge.

While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Sousana about carrying in no-carry zones, I wonder if she feels the same about some of the anti-homosexual laws that have been on the books until recently.

Or, for that matter, laws about what heterosexual couples may do behind closed doors.

If breaking the law is always breaking the law....
 
sousana is a HE. What people do behind closed doors is their business. I served in the military of two nations, one of them being this one, I was a Navy Corpsman in service when the Marine Bar in Beirut were hit, and I served 4 years along the Syrian and Lebanese border.

Without laws, a society degenerates into chaos. What hetero or homo sexuals do behind closed doors is their business, and frankly, I am not in favor of homosexual marriages, that said, I stand for their right to get married as they have the right to live a life as I do with my wife.

And yes, breaking the law is still breaking the law. I once served as a Deputy Sheriff so I've been on that side of the fence as well, and I do understand that in some circumstances you have no choice but to break the law, but in life and death situations only. Carrying a concealed weapon into a bar is not one such situation. In Virginia, when I go into an establishment carrying concealed, I either tuck my shirt in exposing my weapon, or remove my jacket allowing my shoulder rig to be seen.

Just for clearance sakes, Sousana is my last name of my Hebrew name.
 
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By accepting a concealed carry permit, you are telling the authorities you are an honest, law abiding citizen. By flaunting the laws concerning concealed carry in an establishment that serves alcohol shows plainly you have no cares for laws set down by society.

You carry your weapon to prevent others from breaking the law, yet you are also breaking the law, regardless of the fact it may be a foolish law, it is still one.
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Sousana is absolutely right. We were issued a permit because we are ostensibly honest, law-abiding citizens. We should act like it. If we don't like the laws we should work to have them changed. If one person can pick and choose which laws they follow then EVERY person can pick and choose. That's a little thing called anarchy.
 
Ok, let me clarify my statement just a bit. First of all, I live in the state of Indiana which has some very gun friendly laws. In fact, we now are issued lifetime carry permits! No need to run down to the Sheriff’s office every four years for a new set of fingerprints to see if they have changed. I honestly don't know what the laws are here regarding establishments that post "no guns". Personally, I don't believe that my rights which, according to our Declaration of Independence and Constitution are granted by God, are subject to the whims of other individuals or corporations.
As for not breaking the law goes, I suppose you don't drive 62 in a 55 zone either, right? When it comes to protecting myself and my family, I really don't care what the laws say. I will obey them as much as possible, but I will NOT leave myself unarmed and vulnerable just to make someone else happy. If in your mind that makes me wrong, so be it.
I suppose in some peoples minds it would be better if, as their lifeless body is being carried out of the mall after some nut or terrorist has sprayed the place with an AK, the cops could say "well, at least this one didn't break the law", but not me. (sorry for the run-on sentence.)
As long as gun owners continue to passively accept more and more restrictive laws, more and more restrictive laws will be passed. IMO, the NRA and other groups are not vocal enough. In most cases we are just happy when no additional gun laws are enacted. We need to actively seek the termination of the ones in place to restrict the ability of citizens to protect themselves! We continually allow the other side to set the agenda of the debate and pick the issues to fight. We need lawmakers who are willing to propose removal of these unconstitutional laws and willing to take the inevitable heat for doing so. The other side is well organized, vocal, and motivated. We need to be also.
Yes actually, there are a few places I wont carry. However, the courthouse is the only one which comes to mind at the moment. But for the most part, I carry where I feel I need to.
 
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In my state, carrying in a business that is posted is not a crime, but a simply trespass violation.
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Just to clear something up for others who don't understand. In Virginia there is no law at all that restricts carry of a firearm (open or concealed-with-permit) into a private business.

If a shop decides to post, they have created a policy for that business but it carries no weight of law. What they can do is refuse service and ask you to leave, which you must do.

If you have been asked to leave, and you refuse, then you fall under the "trespass" laws.

So "legally" a Virginian is well within his/her rights to ignore posts on private property businesses and the shop owner is well within their authority to ask that person to leave.

Me, I don't give my business to said establishments. There are PLENTY of rights-friendly shops for me to go to.
 
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I am opening a restaurant and lounge as we speak and concealed carry will be allowed inside my establishment. Luckily I am in Oregon where it is legal. Since I am the sole proprietor I would have to enforce the "no carry" law if we had it, and I doubt I would. I would just make a point of ignoring anyone with a gun unless they made it to where I could not ignore it.

I would have an issue if I knew someone was carrying and they were drinking more than one or two. Especially if they are drinking and not eating. other than that; there is a reason it is called "concealed" carry. Out of sight is out of mind.
 
Ya'll know that there is no law in Va that says, if you open carry in a resteraunt that serves alcohol you cant drink alcohol.
 
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