New Cartridge 357 Ring Of Fire

I have breached 1188 fps with 170 FMJ with this short barreled beauty...with more to come.
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Sounds like you re-invented the 357 Sig. It'll match that with 180's from a 4.5-5" barrel.

A G22 in 40 S&W will do that with 200 gr bullets, a G29 in 10mm will do 1250 fps with 200 gr bullets.
 
Sounds like you re-invented the 357 Sig. It'll match that with 180's from a 4.5-5" barrel.
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Not a necked down cartridge. Full 9mm capacity for a double stack semi-auto is something worth the effort IMO. Pretty much ideal as a matter of fact.:D
 
Jmr40, over 1100fps 200gr from a 40???

Staying in spec for pressure ?


Since 1000fps with a 180gr pushes the top of the pressure spec, I'm curious how you did it.
 
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Well, I knew some 9mm folks were likely to get ruffled when they found a ctg. which whipped it on all levels...but did ya think it would come sooner or later?
Like it was said, the military rounds are NATO running @10% over the standard 9mm round...now why do you reckon they increased the powder and pressure?
The 9 mm is fine in it's niche, but the military wants something better for reasons those who serve would understand...penetration.
This ctg. is only beginning to emerge. I don't know where it will land, but a logical person would agree the possibility of 12 rounds of 357 magnum performance with 158 and 170 grain bullets in a subcompact package semi auto would be tough to match or beat when you compare apples to apples.
I do not intend to take anything away from the other fine ctgs. mentioned above, I only intend to deliver 357 Magnum performance with heavier bullets than a 9mm can deliver.
Is there a 9mm X which launches a 170 FMJ near 1188 fps? Let me know guys. I haven't seen one yet with the high capacity this ctg. and magazine offer...I think it would be pretty cool to meet the competition.
Thanks!
Dave
 
Well, I knew some 9mm folks were likely to get ruffled when they found a ctg. which whipped it on all levels...but did ya think it would come sooner or later?
Like it was said, the military rounds are NATO running @10% over the standard 9mm round...now why do you reckon they increased the powder and pressure?
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For the same reason many of use use 9mm+P, which is comparable to 9mm NATO. The FBI are dropping the .40 and going to 9mm, as well as many PD's across the country for a good reason, and it's because it's an effective round that allows you to put rounds on target faster and with better accuracy than higher recoiling rounds.

The 9 mm is fine in it's niche, but the military wants something better for reasons those who serve would understand...penetration.
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Actually it looks like the military will be staying with 9mm, and will be changing their policy of FMJ only and allowing the use of JHP's in the near future. Just recently the MARSOC division has allowed the use of Glock 19's over the M9A1's and new batch of Colt 1911's they received, and from what I understand the Glock 19 is favored over the 1911 and it's .45acp.
 
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Personally, I am not interested in this round even if all the things claimed about it are true. 12 rounds of 9mm+P+ in my Glock and 15,17, 0r 33 in a reload is plenty for me. I'd much rather be able to put those rounds on target FAST than blow bigger holes in whatever slower.

No reason not to make another wildcat and pursue pushing it into the mainstream. ROF would likely market well. There is plenty of overlap all over the reloading manuals, but cartridges don't fade fast and more keep popping up.

As far as I know US military is still mostly staying with the same 9mm NATO round no matter which platform they choose.
 
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So I looked up the Youtube video of this round and I think most people are going to agree with the sentiment in the above post that:
I'd much rather be able to put those rounds on target FAST
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Watching the shooting in the video it seemed like the recoil of this round will prevent users from being able to rapidly fire off follow-up shots accurately.

ETA: Link to the Youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33dA_fWj8Q
 
I'm having a hard time seeing why I would ever want to consider this new wildcat over my 1911 in .38 Super. If I ever want to bit more punch than .38 Super, I'll just try 9x23.

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I think you're looking to answer a question nobody asked.
 
From that video:
What is your backstop?
Why are you single loading all rounds? Has it been blowing the mag out or some other sign of over-pressure? Was this the first time you fired it?

Is "Ring of Fire" under copyright? I guess it is also a geographic label which would make a copyright defense difficult.

It really does have one major advantage over most of the wildcats. I can pronounce its name.
 
I seriously doubt that your new cartridge will come out and be called Ring of Fire. Besides the geographic location Johnny Cash fans aint gonna like that name but your video does not show much other then someone that is afraid of shooting. I can understand you wanting to catch each piece of brass but that is what brass catchers are for. Single loading just points to the round not being controllable. There are already enough more powerful non rimmed cartridges on the market and mag drops are NBD.
 
Tough crowd--give the guy a break and some credit for trying! Regardless of probability of success I think it's admirable to act out on "what if's."
 
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Thanks guys for the comments, both pro and con.
Yes, I am aware this round isn't for everyone.
The Army trials aren't restricted to 9mm.
A little background... I was weaned in pistol in the Marines with the 1911 in 45 ACP. We were taught to make each shot count.
When the wonder nines came out, it was found to be lacking, and the double tap concept came into being.
My first pistol I bought was a Colt Lawman with a 4" barrel. I love the feel of this cartridge in 357 magnum. I have desired a semi automatic with higher capacity in this power.
The nines generally required more than one shot to make more than one hole in an attacker to stop someone determined or doped up. The 357 does this with one shot generally.
It all comes down to what you are comfortable with. As for myself, I'd rather have 12 possible one shot stops, than 5 with a high cap nine.
The other things about 38 super and 9x23, these are also fine, but there may be times when a heavier bullet is needed...thus I see a need for this cartridge.
The NATO compliance will likely keep 9mm in our military, but our special forces use a lot of 45acp for stopping power. I'd like to give them the option of stopping power with high capacity when they need it.
Thanks guys!
Keep 'em coming!
Dave
 
When it comes to firearms I'm more about the "true" part of "tried-and-true" but somebody has to do the "tried" part. So I'll +1 stagpanther's comment. It doesn't look like it would be for me, but good luck with the journey. Above all, stay safe!
 
It's been asked and ignored several times now, but what the heck...

What kind of operating pressure is your new cartridge running at?

That will play a major role in what firearms will be safe for it... and choice of arms will play a big part it its acceptance.
 
Billm

Hey Bill,
Did you have any signs of over pressure before the incident? Flattened primers? Burn rings around the primer?
Dave
 
9x19

I do not have a test barrel to measure those...and SAAMI will only accept cartridges for testing from a manufacturer.
I am checking each cartridge for signs of over pressure as I go along in small increments.
In the early videos, I was loading one at a time for safety reasons as this has never been done before and there are only observation and common sense to guide me at this time.
Believe me, I still get nervous when I approach mathematical maximum charges.
Thanks for the interest!
Dave
 
Hmmmm...your kinda sorta shooting in the dark on the pressure thing. You're braver than me. I know true internal chamber/barrel testing is way expensive--but I think there are some affordable devices that can get you in the ballpark.
 
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