Militias = White Supremacists?
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Racists? Some of them might have members that consider themselves racialists. There is a sort of natural element of segregation apparent in many black, hispanic and asian communities, while there is certainly nothing stopping them from forming militias - and being free to invite people outside their racial ancestry into their "groups". I do not see that happening though.
It may be coincidence, but I have yet to meet many (if any) people who were not of european or scandinavian ancestry who expressed much interest in forming or being a part of the militia as it relates to it's discussion here.
I do see a dozen or two magazines on the rag racks that are racially exclusive - some explicitly by title, some by language. I hear radio programs likewise orientated - and many TV stations. Interesting; I wonder what would happen if I attempted to publish a rag excluding them - or such a radio or TV station.
It may be coincidence, but I have yet to meet many (if any) people who were not of european or scandinavian ancestry who expressed much interest in forming or being a part of the militia as it relates to it's discussion here.
I do see a dozen or two magazines on the rag racks that are racially exclusive - some explicitly by title, some by language. I hear radio programs likewise orientated - and many TV stations. Interesting; I wonder what would happen if I attempted to publish a rag excluding them - or such a radio or TV station.
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Straw men won't work here, Caleb. You advanced the argument that racism is "popular" at TFL. You most certainly did NOT advance the argument that there is at least one racist at TFL, and I most certainly never said that there are none. That's not the debate we were having with each other.
Words have meaning.
Changing the subject to whether you're fit to be a member of TFL and then throwing out another straw man (this time claiming that I said you aren't fit to be a member) is also not going to cut it.
You simply made an assertion that you can't defend. It happens.
I will say one more thing. The day I'm convinced that TFL is a board of racists, or a board where racism is a popular sentiment, you won't see me post about it. I'll be gone.
Words have meaning.
Changing the subject to whether you're fit to be a member of TFL and then throwing out another straw man (this time claiming that I said you aren't fit to be a member) is also not going to cut it.
You simply made an assertion that you can't defend. It happens.
I will say one more thing. The day I'm convinced that TFL is a board of racists, or a board where racism is a popular sentiment, you won't see me post about it. I'll be gone.
CarbineCaleb
New member
Don Gwinn: So here is my post, reproduced again, lest we forget:
Carbine Caleb:
So, you may not have noticed anyone sound antigovernment, revolutionary, conspiracy oriented, or racist here... here are just a few recent goodies:
From jonathon:
From MikeTx:
From Progunner1957:
From Tony Lagio:
From Te Anau:
From 9mmsnoopy:
From shortydog:
From Wallew (quoting/endorsing the views of Dick Lamm):
Now, you may not hear anything antigovernment, revolutionary, conspiracy oriented, or racist there, but I do (oops, actually I forget to choose some New World Order Conspiracy ones, but I can get some of those from the past month too if you like)...
Now, I am not asserting that all TFL members are like these, in fact, if you bother to read my posts in this thread, you will see me say:
CarbineCaleb:
Is it just too much work to actually read what I write???
Carbine Caleb:
So, you may not have noticed anyone sound antigovernment, revolutionary, conspiracy oriented, or racist here... here are just a few recent goodies:
From jonathon:
From MikeTx:
From Progunner1957:
From Tony Lagio:
From Te Anau:
From 9mmsnoopy:
From shortydog:
From Wallew (quoting/endorsing the views of Dick Lamm):
Now, you may not hear anything antigovernment, revolutionary, conspiracy oriented, or racist there, but I do (oops, actually I forget to choose some New World Order Conspiracy ones, but I can get some of those from the past month too if you like)...
Now, I am not asserting that all TFL members are like these, in fact, if you bother to read my posts in this thread, you will see me say:
CarbineCaleb:
Is it just too much work to actually read what I write???
I've read through all three pages of this cr@p and all I can figure is that CC just sees what he wants to see in all the various posts. It's just a variation on the old "half-full/half-empty" argument and it's wasted entirely too much band-width already. :barf: :barf: :barf:
Caleb,
I'm about as far from racist as they come, and many of the things you quoted have nothing to do with racism. Being concerned about illegal immigration is a big one after 9/11 for alot of people.
Some of the other quotes are also historical facts.
I think you're going out of your way to paint your fellows in an unfair light. Please stop it.
I'm about as far from racist as they come, and many of the things you quoted have nothing to do with racism. Being concerned about illegal immigration is a big one after 9/11 for alot of people.
Some of the other quotes are also historical facts.
I think you're going out of your way to paint your fellows in an unfair light. Please stop it.
Tony Lagio
New member
In response to a post by CarbineCaleb
Sure I identify possible assailants, would I allow them to go unrecognized in that area, free to try their luck on some unsuspecting motorist? Or perhaps my crime was to identify them as "men". In this day and age, in this silly season of the "politically correct" nonsense we are force-fed on TV should I have said, "three Hispanic looking persons, and allow others to wonder if they should maybe be cautious of three dangerous women? C'mon, give me a break. This is the most childish nonsense I've read in an otherwise excellent and sensible message board.
End of tirade, leaving this discussion to emptier heads.
I don't respond to trolling posts so this is to the general readership here. I will drop this silliness after this post is made.
Sure I identify possible assailants, would I allow them to go unrecognized in that area, free to try their luck on some unsuspecting motorist? Or perhaps my crime was to identify them as "men". In this day and age, in this silly season of the "politically correct" nonsense we are force-fed on TV should I have said, "three Hispanic looking persons, and allow others to wonder if they should maybe be cautious of three dangerous women? C'mon, give me a break. This is the most childish nonsense I've read in an otherwise excellent and sensible message board.
End of tirade, leaving this discussion to emptier heads.
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If I was in charge of the FBI, and wanted to keep close tabs on American Citizens that I thought might be radical revolutionaries, I would start a milita that catered to those kinds of folks, sub-rosa of course.
Then I could attract them all into a group, or a few groups - each group headed by undercover FBI agents, and keep very close tabs on them.
Yep, that is one of the reasons I don't even go to the militia web sites out of curiousity. I just have a bad feeling that some or most of them are honey traps. Should I put my foil hat back on?
Then I could attract them all into a group, or a few groups - each group headed by undercover FBI agents, and keep very close tabs on them.
Yep, that is one of the reasons I don't even go to the militia web sites out of curiousity. I just have a bad feeling that some or most of them are honey traps. Should I put my foil hat back on?
I have read that most militias stick to newsgroups now, since their websites attracted the wrong kind of attention. I've found Klan stuff on the internet but not much in the way of militias.
btw, I was a moderator of a "fringe" website for a while (no race/militia connections!) We had a lurker in the chatroom. His IP checked out as pentagon. I called him on it, and he vanished.
btw, I was a moderator of a "fringe" website for a while (no race/militia connections!) We had a lurker in the chatroom. His IP checked out as pentagon. I called him on it, and he vanished.
Throughout history, militias have seldom been taken seriously by professional soldiers. Their motto appears to be "walk into battle and run like hell once you meet it". It's nothing more than a "boys club" for want-to-be's and for the most part poorly educated loud mouths (except for vets). But if you wish an enjoyable conversation, sit down and listen to their views of their own self-worth. They give gun ownership a bad name IMHO.
I'm not saying anything about actions of any gun shop owner.
All I know is that I am routinely labeled "racist" when I call for the border to be closed off and patrolled. Why? Because I don't want criminal aliens sneaking across the border? Because I don't want undocumented filth coming freely into the US as they please?
I couldn't care less if you're Mexican and LEGALLY immigrate to the US. Now, I shouldn’t need "legally" as an adjective in the above sentence... since an immigrant is by definition legal. I really am awed by the fact that so few people consider these criminals as criminals.
Great, they have demonstrated their disregard for America... now exactly why do you want them in the US?
All I know is that I am routinely labeled "racist" when I call for the border to be closed off and patrolled. Why? Because I don't want criminal aliens sneaking across the border? Because I don't want undocumented filth coming freely into the US as they please?
I couldn't care less if you're Mexican and LEGALLY immigrate to the US. Now, I shouldn’t need "legally" as an adjective in the above sentence... since an immigrant is by definition legal. I really am awed by the fact that so few people consider these criminals as criminals.
Great, they have demonstrated their disregard for America... now exactly why do you want them in the US?
telewinz
I think there is a direct relationship though between how seriously a government takes it's militia and it's quality. Take the Swiss model for example. Anyone who has had regular military experience will know that all it really takes is some organization and effective leadership.
It is not surprizing then that being reduced to a sort of outcast status by our government that organization and good leadership are not evident in many cases.
During the Great Boer War there was much scepticism among British regulars concerning some of the Mounted Police units etc; many of these proved to be extremely effective. And the Boers were not short on any count.
I think there is a direct relationship though between how seriously a government takes it's militia and it's quality. Take the Swiss model for example. Anyone who has had regular military experience will know that all it really takes is some organization and effective leadership.
It is not surprizing then that being reduced to a sort of outcast status by our government that organization and good leadership are not evident in many cases.
Caleb, are you kidding me? That was supposed to prove your argument or mine?
jonathon:
This guy doesn't like illegal aliens. He thinks illegal aliens are scum. He thinks they don't have rights. I don't agree that anyone is without rights. But I thought you were going to show me a trend of racism on TFL. Hating illegal aliens is not racist. You're redefining terms to fit your argument again. You might as well say it's Apple Brown Betty to dislike illegal aliens as racist. The two simply aren't the same.
MikeTX:
No racist content whatsoever.
Progunner 1957:
No racist content whatsoever.
Tony Lagio:
This guy makes a dumb assumption--that "hispanic-looking guys" are illegals. Big deal. Again, I thought you were going to show that racism is a trend at TFL. This is one mild comment from one poster.
Te Anau:
No racist content whatsoever.
9mmSnoopy:
No racist content whatsoever.
ShortyDog:
Oooh, he said "blacks" and "whites" in the same sentence, so he MUST be a racist. Is it your contention that people all over Zimbabwe are NOT starving, or is it your contention that the famine was NOT result of Mugabe taking away the land of all the white farmers and giving it all to his cronies on the excuse that white people shouldn't have farms?
If it's absolutely, positively, undeniably true that Mugabe took away functioning farms from competent farmers and gave them to incompetents who then ran them into the ground, all on the excuse that competents were white and the incompetents were black, is it still racist to say so?
Wallew:
No racist content whatsoever. He said languages and cultures. You and I could argue as to whether all cultures are equivalent, but it wouldn't tell us much about racism.
You are seeing what you choose to see.
jonathon:
This guy doesn't like illegal aliens. He thinks illegal aliens are scum. He thinks they don't have rights. I don't agree that anyone is without rights. But I thought you were going to show me a trend of racism on TFL. Hating illegal aliens is not racist. You're redefining terms to fit your argument again. You might as well say it's Apple Brown Betty to dislike illegal aliens as racist. The two simply aren't the same.
MikeTX:
No racist content whatsoever.
Progunner 1957:
No racist content whatsoever.
Tony Lagio:
This guy makes a dumb assumption--that "hispanic-looking guys" are illegals. Big deal. Again, I thought you were going to show that racism is a trend at TFL. This is one mild comment from one poster.
Te Anau:
No racist content whatsoever.
9mmSnoopy:
No racist content whatsoever.
ShortyDog:
Oooh, he said "blacks" and "whites" in the same sentence, so he MUST be a racist. Is it your contention that people all over Zimbabwe are NOT starving, or is it your contention that the famine was NOT result of Mugabe taking away the land of all the white farmers and giving it all to his cronies on the excuse that white people shouldn't have farms?
If it's absolutely, positively, undeniably true that Mugabe took away functioning farms from competent farmers and gave them to incompetents who then ran them into the ground, all on the excuse that competents were white and the incompetents were black, is it still racist to say so?
Wallew:
No racist content whatsoever. He said languages and cultures. You and I could argue as to whether all cultures are equivalent, but it wouldn't tell us much about racism.
You are seeing what you choose to see.
I'm sorry that this post doesn't add anything, but I just had to get this off my chest... I read it all, I tried - really tried to get into it, I just think it's a crappy thread IMO (not to say that there weren't a few informative/articulate/non-slamming posts). Now I'm wishing I had moved on after the very first post.
