Made in the USA.... or not.

I wouldn't sell your GP100 either mathman - great gun. Just let's not buy NEW guns from them until they actually make amends by doing something demonstrably positive for the RKBA, shall we...
 
I wouldn't sell your GP100 either mathman - great gun. Just let's not buy NEW guns from them until they actually make amends by doing something demonstrably positive for the RKBA, shall we...
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I have several Rugers all great guns except the 10/22, that's just a good gun.

I have no intention of selling them and would not have any problem with buying more, from the used counter
 
China does more to weaken our currency than France and the euro. Please. If Russia has so much oil why are they building pipe lines into the middle east to pull oil out.
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Where is your proof of this? Stop making things up. Sorry, but just calling it like I see it. Here's a real fact for you: "[Russia has] wide natural resource base including major deposits of oil, natural gas, coal, and many strategic minerals, timber..." (From the CIA world factbook).

Your post smacks of ignorance and racism. Sorry but just calling it like I see it.
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By golly, I'm sowwy, honey. If racism means telling the truth, then by god I'm a racist--- it is a known FACT that Saudi Arabia decapitates prisoners and TELEVISES the executions. Again, this makes me wonder why we're doing business with Saudi Arabia for oil, when Russia would make a potentially stronger military and economic ally in the future.

For the record, I think "Made in the USA" is a thing of the past, with the WTO and globalization in full swing. All the countries of the world are so interdependent with each other that it's impossible to completely shut out the rest of the world and operate domestically.
 
I get a kick out of folks who boast pride in buying American made items such as automobiles. The companies may be American in name, but the majority of parts and work on the vehicles can be made elsewhere and the vehicle still called American Made. It is nothing but lip service. When the vast majority of a product is made elsewhere, it isn't really American made.
 
"One must, however, hold the above against the company"

Must? I don't see it.

And anyway, why aren't we boycotting Remington and Marlin? They don't even make handguns, much less handguns with "high-capacity" mags. No, they don't have the right to run their businesses the way they want. ;)

John
 
And anyway, why aren't we boycotting Remington and Marlin? They don't even make handguns, much less handguns with "high-capacity" mags.
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That comparison is about as relevant as avoiding Popeyes for not making a 1/4 pound hamburger. Or Welch's Grapes Juice not marketing wine

No, they don't have the right to run their businesses the way they want.
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Where has anyone suggested that Ruger did not have the right to run their company as they see fit?
Having the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do or that others can not exercise their right to show offense
 
"Where has anyone suggested that Ruger did not have the right to run their company as they see fit?"

I don't mind looking it up since you asked...in fact, you said it...

"Ruger still does not, at last check, sell more than ten round mags for their Mini 14s"

If they want to run their company that way it's fine with me. It's just like Marlin and Remington not making handguns - a business decision. I'm not going to whine and cry and boycott because that's how they've decided how to run their business.

I'm not that easily offended.

John
 
So please tell me how answering a direct question is telling someone how to run their business
What's wrong with Ruger...have they done something that I missed?
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They have the right to run it any way they see fit.

I have the right to point out how they run it to anybody I see fit.
I have the right to make any personal judgement I see fit.

Is there some reason you want to hide their practices?

I personally do not do business with them, if you do that's your choice and right, and I have not said otherwise.

So show me where I have said that anybody does not have the right to run their business as they see fit.

Apparently you misunderstood the first time
 
Mikeboy,"I try to avoid russian products as the soviets screwed my ethnicity,AK-47 is a fine rifle though"
In case you didnt know the ak 47 was invented by the germans in WWII,better known as the MP-44 or the STG 44- when the russians were bussy raping the german townswomen the generals stole schematics from the reichstag,one of the schematics depicted the infamous stg 44- mp 44, which the russians "slightly modified" and called it their own.
Chase
 
I know S&W was the only company to push safety features, yet none of you think about al those"accidental discharge",-my foot,no gun I have seen goes off untouched, S&W did this to curb this. They were also afriad of liberal heat which is very very hot, they wanted to sell some guns and be in the media's cross hairs-so to speak
Chase
 
I try to buy american with anything I spend my money on. With some things like a gun I will try very hard to buy american unless there is a deal on something else I can't pass up. Other things, like my car (honda), I can't justify even trying to buy something american made. In both cases I weigh quality and price. Made in the usa would make me spend a little more for an equal quality product.
 
My firearms have been made in the USA, Brazil, the Phillippines, the Soviet Union, Poland, Spain, the UK, Switzerland, France, Italy, Austria-Hungary, Germany, China, Japan, Sweden, and Belgium.

It's all good...
 
There is also the thought that by insisting on buying American solely on the basis of it's being American and ignoring the quality issue, can be considered to be subsidizing mediocrity. American business understands money better than patriotism and when they realize that their refusal or inability to meet the demands of the American market is impacting their bottom line, then perhaps our own firearms companies will begin to produce the product that you and I know they are capable of, at the price we want and with the quality we would like to see from an American source.
 
Made where?

I know everyone will love me for this (as if thats a change) but all of the Made in the U.S.A. stuff went out of the equasion a long time ago, i mean if our own military doesnt care about supplying our soldiers with home grown equipment why should I. I mean I didnt start it and im not gonna finnish it.
 
Being the libertarian leaning Capitalist that I am, I really don't pay much attention to where an item is made, but rather to the quality and cost effectiveness of the item. I have absolutely no qualms about buying foreign if it is the best value for my money. The whole thing about "Buy American" as being somehow patriotic just doesn't even occur to me.

Added: And that goes double for the "Buy Union" thing. IMHO, they are part of the problem, and I'm not about to go out of my way to support them. In fact, if given the choice I will go out of my way to not support them.

Personally, I feel that if American outfits want my business, they will produce the most cost effective product for me to buy. If not, well, they didn't want my business as much as the other guys. I feel that I have no duty whatsoever to prop up less than efficient businesses who are held over the barrel by higher overhead than their foreign competition -- the real answer is to lower that overhead and become truely competitive. If a foreign manufacturer is able to keep quality high and prices low, then BULLY FOR THEM! If a domestic company can't do the same, then they deserve to go out of business. Survival of the fittest. It is a global marketplace, and I embrace that fact.
 
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I know everyone will love me for this (as if thats a change) but all of the Made in the U.S.A. stuff went out of the equasion a long time ago, i mean if our own military doesnt care about supplying our soldiers with home grown equipment why should I. I mean I didnt start it and im not gonna finnish it.
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You obviously are young. You may not feel that way if you think about trying to explain to your Grand children how you and your generation could have been so ignorant.
 
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No Mr. Dave, im almost 46 and talk to my son whos getting ready to go back to Iraq again with junk equipment, meaning duct-taped firearms and a Bradly that they have been trying to get a new tranny for for months, it goes 20clicks wich will get you killed in the sandbox. And when thiers got blown to excrement over there w/two dead boys in it they had to use a humvie for 5 mos. untill they got a nother used piece of crap to chug-around in. And just what the hell does my age have to do with it? If you are older than me maybe you can answer the questions better than me? So what did you all do? Huh? Ok, I get it, well grandkids (me speaking) everything we use is made in hong-kong these days, what?, oh the generation before me did it, nevermind.
 
Sounds like alot of posters here are either independantly wealthy or don't have families to support. How do y'all make your livings? Can any of you compete against workers who are willing to work hard for $2 a day? How many of you could eat on $2 a day, let alone feed your families? The millions of manufacturing jobs lost to the Chinese and Mexicans aren't being replaced with jobs paying enough to stay above poverty. Are you aware China has overtaken the U.S. in technology exports?(189bil. to our 149 bil.) That was our last edge on them. Now we have the WTO calling on our Gov. to allow many more guest worker visas on the basis that people are tradeable goods and can't be blocked per "free trade" laws. I am talking about good paying jobs for degreed individuals. We are in a "race to the bottom" in the name of "staying competetive" and it won't work, do you understand that? Our country has effectively been sold out. Congress is mulling 14 billion dollars in cuts for higher ed. so I guess we won't have to worry about any "brain drain" occuring here in the U.S. How will y'all be doing ten years down this road? Me? I'm learning Chinese because once they own all our debt, they'll call it in, and guess what? They will take what they bought, no battle, no struggle. You think those European cowards we bailed out twice will be lining up to help? Think again. Don't buy American, it doesn't pay. Buy ANYTHING else cause their workers are more important than your own countrymen. I know, "it's the UNIONS, they (who created the middle class) have destroyed America. Wouldn't have anything to with the free rein of corporate management abetted by our wonderful gov.? Of course not. "I love hearing,"I buy the best value", or "I buy the best price". There are more, deeper ramifications than those shallow concerns. I'm not advocating buying domestic if it truly IS junk. I wonder how many of you really know a high quality product anymore. Remember, that "no incentive to make better products because of no competition" argument cuts both ways. We are operating under the ILLUSION of free trade. Its not free at all. our trade is regulated by the WTO, a UNITED NATIONS organization. Do you really believe the WTO has YOUR best interests in mind?:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
Thanks for reading this long rant. I'll turn it off now, and it won't be back. enjoy the sunset, folks it was a good run while it lasted.
Josh
 
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