Looking for a beach gun

Status
Not open for further replies.
My thoughts:
If you are getting in the water without it you are leaving it under a towel or something. Not being able to call myself a beach bum, but having frequented a few in my life, I am thinking it won't be there ten minutes after you walk away from it.
If you are not getting into the water adjust your clothing.
THe point about more durable finishe s was valid. You are going to subject this gun to very salty air. Even if it does not get wet it is going to get a beating from the salt. Look at what marines on ships go through keeping their guns clean. Industrial hard chrome would be your best finish.

A hi-point. Probably ot easier to conceal than a sig, but if it does rust you just send it back to the factory ad they take care of whatever. I know guys who have used their warranty and none of the horror stories like you hear from Tauruses.

I would look serously at the fanny pack also. Sure that is "off body," but not like a backpack or in the glovebox.
 
Last edited:
Just got back from a week on beaches. I too pondered my options. The best I came up with was a Hang Ten swim suit with big cargo pockets. I tied a lanyard between the little carabiner and one of the drain holes in the bottom of the pocket so it couln't float off if the velcro failed on the pocket. It went on the beach, in the water, everywhere. Never got one grain of sand or one drop of water on it. Is it REALLY the gun I want in a gunfight? No. Better than screaming like a little girl and running away from my family to let them fend for themselves, yeah. As an aside, my cell phone, a Motorola Razor, fit in the same box with the gun.

The shorts were baggy enough to where no one, family included, noticed.

bauer2.jpg


bauer1.jpg
 
All The SS lovers ,put a magnet to your ss gun and you more than likely find out it sticks. SS need some carbon in it for strength and that is what will make a ss gun rust under the wrong conditions.
 
Sounds too me like you need to change location(s), first off; get out of
the high area beaches~! NO, I repeat NO handgun or firerarm will with
stand salt water over the long haul. Its just a fact, salt water attacks
and breaks down even the most resistant of finishes; including but not
limited to stainless steel~! :eek:
 
Answer to your prayers!!! STRIKE HOLD!!!

Well first off the gun I would go with would be a Keltec or Bersa .380. But here is your life saver. STRIKE HOLD lubricant. This stuff was formulated for the military to use in Iraq in high sand conditions. It repells sand, dirt, grime. Also it makes water shed off the weapon. Take it from the soldiers and special forces they use this stuff to keep thier gun from jamming by sand, dust etc. Navy seals use it to make thier weapon waterproof. You can spray a weapon with Strike Hold and take it for a swim. They coating lasts months or until you reapply the product. This is the best stuff on the market period.

Refer to my sales post:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370521
 
there are no more safe, quaint beaches, no matter what the Florida Department of Tourism will tell you.

I'll disagree - living here, I have found MANY beaches that were very safe, some desolate, all family friendly, many romantically secluded. Of course I'm not talking about Miami or Tampa or Daytona
 
(wow I never get replies to my jokes:D) but I would agree with the hi-point... that way its not that big of a loss... but also klunky... good subject though...
 
im in favor of the micro pelican case, or maybe an airweight smith and wesson revolver. I would want the reliability of a revolver.
 
I used to enjoy the beach and walking in the surf, but my knees won't take that now. If they did I would gladly return. Considering the people I have encountered on both Florida and California beaches I always got along well with a fanny pack and a J frame .38 Special inside a couple of Ziplock sandwich bags. If I wanted to do it with just shorts I'd buy the ones from REI with the big pockets and still use the sandwich bags. I just tried my SA XD40 SC in a sandwich bag and it fits, though it looks more like a pistol condom.:p I didn't have to take the XD out of the bag, just poked my trigger finger through the bag and into the trigger guard as I would if I needed it suddenly. I think, and will try this on my next trip to the range, that if I pulled the trigger the muzzle blast and slide cycling would pretty much disintegrate the bag. I'll try both one and two bags to see how it works. I also have a .357 Magnum Bond Arms Derringer that is what people call "stainless steel", but I always preferred to refer to on engineering orders as "CRES" "corrosion resistant steel". All CRES steels are, by nature, alloys of steel and a combination of chromium, nickle, molybdenum, carbon and even titanium; the combinations are bewildering. On a project to build a new kind of furnace for uranium salts we tried using 17-4PH, a precipitation hardened high tensile strength and equally high corrosion resistance to make the CRES stirring paddle, and molten uranium salts ate it away in minutes. This is the CRES that is used to make the bottles that hold the hydrogen isotope tritium in hydrogen bombs, and tritium gas is also a world class corrosive. I ended up using Tantalum for the paddles, and since it was a weldment, became our groups expert on e-beam welding that weird metal. If you ever need to weld it, and want to prevent martinsitic grain growth, e-beam weld in a pure argon atmosphere. Being a Government project I had never had to consider the cost of the material, and by the time we made one that passed the test I had 13 failed prototypes in my office at LLNL. My boss came by one day and reminded me to lock my office door, something I had never done, When I asked why he told me I had more than a million dollars of Tantalum stacked in the corner. I say all of this because there is no material known as stainless steel that will not, under the right circumstances, corrode to uselessness. The pistol that I have seen take on extreme salt water immersion combined with combined physical abuse is the Glock. I remember an article that was in Shooting Times about a test the SAS did back around 1980 where they fired around 10K through six or eight Glock 17s, disassembled half, putting them in small mesh bags and putting those bags in a larger mesh bag with the assembled pistols and hung the bag down the legs of a oil drilling platform in the North Atlantic and left them there for a long time; banging against the platform leg and subjected to the near freezing sea water. When they retrieved the bag they reassembled the four, and loaded the magazine of them all. The did no cleaning, no oiling, water was removed from the barrels by blowing through the breech with lung power. All of the Glocks functioned without failure, including a torture test of running pre-loaded magazines through the pistols until all of the water evaporated as steam. They put as much abuse into those Glocks as humanly possible with no failure except for two DNF that was traced to the ammunition, as it did not fire with re-strikes from the same pistol or any other pistol. There were some spots of rust on the slide around the rear sight, but this wiped off with routine cleaning. I am unreasonably fond of my Glock 20, and if I had to take a handgun into a very terrible environment, where it was boiling in the day, freezing at night, with talcum like dust, and very little opportunity to clean the weapon, my Glock 20 would be one of the pistols I would carry. :):):)
 
WOW!
That was a great post.

My take was dip once in salt water, throw away gun.

So Glocks actually held up to that? That is amazing...

I do wonder in the test if the freezing water keeps the stuff from corroding, or slows the process.

I lived in Hawaii, on the wet side of a couple islands, and, things that lasted 20 years on the mainland, died and corroded in days, with the warm weather, salt air, and sea spray...
 
I'd written a somewhat lengthy, well thought out repley but the page timed out and I lost it :mad:

But basically:
Thanks Beauhooligan for that informative post. You're right, there probably isn't an alloy that is totally resistant to salt water. You can see from the OP that I had originally envisioned polymer, but I've since gotten a lot of good arguments for a revolver too (reliable in sand, will drain better if it gets wet).

Is the smallest Glock the 26? Do they have anything that can compete with the size of the LCP & the P3AT?

Whatever I end up with, post beach cleaning & maintenence will be the order of the day. I already have to clean the sand out of my clothes and my car, I might as well clean my gun. I would also replace the ammo more frequently.
 
I would consider one of the lightweight 38 special only revolvers, probably used, and take it over to Mac's Shootin' Irons for recoat with his Tuff-Gun.
http://www.shootiniron.com/FINISH SPECS.html
The specs page show 60 days in salt water. This would mean that you still need to clean out the barrel but little else. I have used his services previously as he shop is local to me. Nice results. I will be taking my SBH over to him after the smith is done shortening the barrel length.

I use a materials compatibility program at work. Sea Water results for common materials:

304 Stainless - Fair
316 Stainless - Fair
Cast Iron - Severe, do not use.
Carbon Steel - Severe, do not use.
Copper - Good
Aluminum - Good
Brass - Severe, do not use.
Bronze - Excellent
Natural Rubber - Excellent
Nylon - Excellent
Polycarbonate - Excellent
Polypropylene - Excellent
PVC - Excellent

I did not find a rating for Nickel on this chart but the nickel/copper alloys have been in marine use for quite some time. Note that brass is not good so the ammo probably becomes a throw away after exposure. Probably should use nickel plated cases and then seal the primer and bullet. Fun stuff!
 
Let me think for about 3 seconds...1.people want to carry something small in a waterproof or water resistant container. 2. What people do that regularly? 3. Surfers, kayakers, fishermen, mariners, folks who are in and work around water all the time and want to keep papers, tools, guns, etc. dry in a small package that can be kept on the body at all times.

So lets look there...

http://www.rei.com/outlet/category/22000077

In less than 1 minute we start finding things. Small bags that can be worn under a swim suit or strapped to a waist. Plenty of stuff available in fishing gear, surf shops, beach wear for tourists (big enough to hold a passport and cash means big enough for a small piece), waterproof camera cases, waterproof cell phone cases, etc.

tipoc
 
I'd go towards a nice small light revolver. If there's sand in the action don't want to depend on a semi auto actually cycling :).

Something like a smith snub 38 special perhaps?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top