July 4 armed march in DC...???

I fear that this issue isn't as black and white as we make it appear. Much of it stems from our respect for law and order and doing things the right way. I'm all on board with that. But at what point does that change? Let's face it, our founders broke the law and some may argue they had less reason in their time then we do in our time. They would of been hung if not successful. Yet we celebrate them with good reason. One person marching down to the White House is a bad idea doomed to failure. Same with 100, a 1000, maybe even 10,000. And the things that could possibly go wrong are so many as to be frighting. Bad option.

But the darker side of me realizes that there is so much wrong with our current system, namely the lack of respect and adherence for the constitution from all three branches of our government let alone a majority of the population, that thinkin the system will protect our rights would be foolhardy. 2nd amendment supporters and conservatives in general have zero hope of getting the constitution back. It's not that I feel all that the unconstitutional things our government has done since our inception are bad or unnecessary, I just believe the precedent is set to ignore the constitution and the amendment process and the fixes needed to keep it from happening will not occur in our lifetimes nor our children's lifetimes. Can you imagine how far out in left field thing will be by then?

We are, as always, caught in the middle of the worse of 2 evils. Doing something is bad, doing nothing is bad, doing things down the middle proves fruitless. Third party has an appeal but the leading people that may know what needs done have no real world idea how to accomplish it. You can't fix 200 years in-adherence with one swipe of the pen like some recent canadents and their parties think. It would be anarchy and erase some necessary things in the process. Not to mention how corrupt the new officials would be in short order. And good luck trying to win voters getting something for nothing.

Like I said, not black and white. I don't have answers just questions.
 
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But the darker side of me realizes that there is so much wrong with our current system, namely the lack of respect and adherence for the constitution from all three branches of our government let alone a majority of the population, that thinking the system will protect our rights would be foolhardy.
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People say that every generation from the time the Constitution was written. At least the people whose rights are being violated at the time.
 
NRA membership is soaring. Gun ownership is soaring. The percentage of women who owns guns is soaring. Guns are the "new cool". People who knew nothing about guns a couple years ago are now considering buying a gun. Things are moving in our direction and away from the nanny-state antis.

WHY, would we want to screw up a good thing by marching down public streets in large numbers with loaded rifles?
 
What boggles me is the sheer bravado of this guy. He presumes he speaks for the entire veteran/libertarian/gun owner demographic.

Heck, I sent him a message via social media asking why in the world he thought this was a good idea. All I got in response was a message saying he was now following me.

The man is by no means what I would call resonable.
 
Its late, I'm tired, but it just dawned on me that if this fool goes ahead with his stunt and creates history by setting the stage where some lose their lives and we lose any of our 2A rights as a result, I doubt there will be a safe place for him anywhere within our borders. The Feds may end up being the least of his worries.
Maybe someone should tell him... I dont have facebook, so... :rolleyes:
 
I just read a couple of articles about Mr. K , wow:
1) I can't imagine hiring this guy or wanting to be associated
2) One side will either blink or start a very unfortunate incident
3) If his history is any indicator, this will go over the brink
4) Lets hope cooler heads prevail on all sides!
 
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re: July 4th march in D.C.

Mr. Kokesh, was arrested last week at another demonstration, with the concurrent photos and videos of 'somebody stuffing something in his pocket'.

If that stalls that march a bit, it might be a good thing.

Mr. Kokesh is the leader of the Iraq Veterans Against the War, if you have not yet heard. Another fine outstanding person, NOT!
 
Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) neither endorses nor is affiliated with Adam Kokesh's 'Open Carry March on Washington' planned for July 4th. This event is in direct conflict with our Resolution That IVAW Only Use, Supports or Endorses Non-Violent and Peaceful Actions adopted August 8, 2009 and section C of our Code of Conduct which includes prohibited behavior of members as: "Conduct or threats endangering the life, safety, and/or health of others."
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Even these guys want nothing to do with it.

http://www.ivaw.org/blog/ivaw-not-endorsing-open-carry-march-washington
 
A march on DC could be a good idea, especially if the numbers are there.
An armed march is a really bad idea that can accomplish nothing positive. But it will sure get Kokesh in the spotlight and I think that is probably what he is after.
 
KINGoFOOLS said:
He was arrested for no apparent reason and being charged for "resisting and assaulting a federal officer".


You decide...
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Whether or not there was a good reason for his arrest really can't be decided from the video. There might well have been a reason to arrest him.

And from the video it does appear that he was resisting federal officers and might have done something that would constitute an assault on a federal officer.

So I've decided that it's most likely that Kokesh was being his usual jerk self.
 
I am not in favor of an armed march until such time as we loose the 2nd amendment. Until then don't give them any reason or excuse to make us look like the bad guy or give then any ammo to further their agenda..
 
I fear that this issue isn't as black and white as we make it appear. Much of it stems from our respect for law and order and doing things the right way. I'm all on board with that. But at what point does that change? Let's face it, our founders broke the law and some may argue they had less reason in their time then we do in our time. They would of been hung if not successful. Yet we celebrate them with good reason. One person marching down to the White House is a bad idea doomed to failure. Same with 100, a 1000, maybe even 10,000. And the things that could possibly go wrong are so many as to be frighting. Bad option.

But the darker side of me realizes that there is so much wrong with our current system, namely the lack of respect and adherence for the constitution from all three branches of our government let alone a majority of the population, that thinkin the system will protect our rights would be foolhardy. 2nd amendment supporters and conservatives in general have zero hope of getting the constitution back. It's not that I feel all that the unconstitutional things our government has done since our inception are bad or unnecessary, I just believe the precedent is set to ignore the constitution and the amendment process and the fixes needed to keep it from happening will not occur in our lifetimes nor our children's lifetimes. Can you imagine how far out in left field thing will be by then?

We are, as always, caught in the middle of the worse of 2 evils. Doing something is bad, doing nothing is bad, doing things down the middle proves fruitless. Third party has an appeal but the leading people that may know what needs done have no real world idea how to accomplish it. You can't fix 200 years in-adherence with one swipe of the pen like some recent canadents and their parties think. It would be anarchy and erase some necessary things in the process. Not to mention how corrupt the new officials would be in short order. And good luck trying to win voters getting something for nothing.

Like I said, not black and white. I don't have answers just questions.
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I completely agree with you.

A line must be drawn somewhere, its just a matter of where. People often forget how the American Revolution started: Confiscation.
 
A march on DC could be a good idea, especially if the numbers are there.
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BTDT, no one paid attention. It was a waste of time and money. Gun owners work. They can't go to DC for a march en mass when congress is in session.

"I am not in favor of an armed march until such time as we loose the 2nd amendment." The second amendment is gone. "Sporting use" "Common use" etc destroy it. Now all we have is political tides. They are going our way at current though.
 
A line must be drawn somewhere, its just a matter of where.
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The problems are:

  1. Who gets to decide where and when that line is drawn?
  2. What gives them the authority to do so?
  3. What of those of us who disagree?
Incoherent, selfish chest-beaters like Kokesh don't speak for me, and I detest their assertions that they do.
 
Dr Big Bird PhD said:
...People often forget how the American Revolution started: Confiscation.
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That initiated a particular engagement, but a lot was going on leading up to it. And let's not forget that the American Revolution was not about guns. It was about a number of social, political and economic issues.
 
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