July 4 armed march in DC...???

Principles are not directed by circumstances; they are just principles and should stand any test of circumstances. What principles do your local elected officials hold? Start there, if they do not match your principles then vote them out. If they are catering to your circumstances instead of representing your principles then “you” are the problem.

One might say: “that’s how I do it now”. But I will bet you that your circumstances are what’s driving your voting decisions.
Get that changed back around to living by principles no matter the circumstances while expecting the same from those you elect, and the USA will survive with its 2’nd amendment in tact.

And the fools that want to take back the country given a look in the mirror might well see the ones they are picking a fight with, looking right back at them. They are the ones that built the machine that’s eating freedom and pooping solutions.
 
You don't need to carry a gun to DC, just carry some common sense into the voting booth.
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That won't work in DC. If they will reelect an ex-con crack head as mayor and then to city council then clearly we are not dealing with a normal electorate here.
 
You don't need to carry a gun to DC, just carry some common sense into the voting booth.
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That won't work in DC. If they will reelect an ex-con crack head as mayor and then to city council then clearly we are not dealing with a normal electorate here.
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Believe this is about national voting, not local DC voting.

From the OP's link: The group plans to meet at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. From there, they will march across the Memorial Bridge into Washington, D.C. and continue down Independence Avenue.
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They might not even make into DC. They'll have to meet outside it. If the appear inside Arlington Nat. Cemetary with a firearm, they've already broken the law on Federal property. The US Park Police has jurisdiction there and they're not park rangers and their chief stated today if they carry there they're breaking the law and will be arrested. The Pentagon Police are a mile up the road, I'm friends with some of them and they'll not to be tangled with either. Arlington PD, Army MP's and as they march across the bridge they'll run into DC Metro PD, and they have a lot of crowd control experience. That chief said today she's fine with them protesting, but if break the law by carrying they'll be arrested. Using Memorial Bridge to cross into DC puts you right at the Lincoln Memorial, so I do know if DC PD would handle that or the US Park PD.
This would run out of steam quickly once they actually see what law enforcement agencies are like here. They're all trained to deal with far larger crowds that this would attract. They have the resources and manpower to stop it quickly and quietly if they break the law. If they're coming to this area intending to break the law, they probably won't get permits...and with traffic here being what it is, you don't want to try to march on the roadways and bridges without that being blocked off.
 
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At first glance it seems like a bad idea.
However, non-violent confrontations have had some good results, such as the civil rights movement. Does anyone think we would be where we are today in that area without non-violent protests?

I admit there is a problem with carrying a firearm, and especially with ammo. It would have to be done with extreme care, and be ready to be arrested, and maybe convicted of a felony.
Are the marchers prepared to accept those consequences? I would not be prepared to accept them.

Jerry
 
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The Bonus Army actually appropriated some money for the benefits promised to them and laid the foundation for the G.I Bill of Rights. Somehow I see this as not on the same level.
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Oh, no. I agree wholeheartedly.

As a veteran, I am sickened at what Patton, Ike, and Mac let happen as they dispered said march.

Some nutjobs on other sites are comparing this nonsense, though, to the Bonus Army and seem to be spoiling for a showdown with the 3rd Inf RGT. Which I think might be the most insepid thing I've read.
 
Feel free to flame away. I think that the NRA, GOA, SAF and the rest of the gun rights groups need to get in front of this with strong statements that these nut jobs do not represent the majority of gun owners.
 
I think that the NRA, GOA, SAF and the rest of the gun rights groups need to get in front of this with strong statements that these nut jobs do not represent the majority of gun owners.
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The potential downside is that statements by the NRA, etc. will simply bring attention to the matter.
 
A big risk at the very least.
Minority groups have won concessions in the US from the beginning with armed movements though.
Although the marches through the south were not "armed" marches, there were armed people involved. Deacons for Defense and Justice being the best known.
On the other end you see the Black Panthers in California taking action that almost certainly led to the passage of several very strict firearms restrictions.
There are armed marches on state capitols fairly regularly and they pass without incident. I have been to several in my state capitol. Ohio's CHL law was passed as a direct effect of continuous openly armed citizen presence on Capitol Square in Columbus.
I think it will mostly depend on the size of the protest. If it is a crowd the DC police think they can easily overwhelm, they will certainly react. If federal agencies need to be involved it will be a challenge for them politically. Bringing in 20,000 armed military personnel to handle 10,000 armed protestors won't go over well. Remember, there were no TV news cameras, let alone smart phones in every persons pocket in 1932. Over running the bonus army was covered in mostly rumor.

One problem many "conservative" groups have is members are much more concerned about even the smallest of legal problems showing on their record. Many "progressive" groups have enough members who could care less about such things that they can stage protests where everyone gets arrested with regularity.
 
The potential downside is that statements by the NRA, etc. will simply bring attention to the matter.
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It is already in the national news. They need to get in front of it before it gets pinned on them. Denial after the fact is not nearly as effective as "I told you so".
Minority groups have won concessions in the US from the beginning with armed movements though.
Although the marches through the south were not "armed" marches, there were armed people involved. Deacons for Defense and Justice being the best known
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Providing armed security for a peaceful march where more than a few of the leaders had been killed, assaulted and threatened is another thing entirely. That is actually a pretty smart thing to do.
There are armed marches on state capitols fairly regularly and they pass without incident. I have been to several in my state capitol. Ohio's CHL law was passed as a direct effect of continuous openly armed citizen presence on Capitol Square in Columbus.
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Those were legal.
 
So far there are 3 pages of "really bad idea" coming from us, a forum full of firearms enthusiasts and 2A supporters in one of the leading websites on the subject.

I really hope someone points this thread out to the spotlight seeking radio guy who will undoubtedly end up a lightening rod for the anti-gun folks.

His sort of proposed law breaking antics should be saved for the day if ever 2A is gutted or amended and the Fed's start trying to confiscate our weapons.

Is it possible that this march could make everyone involved a felon?
Of course, resulting in all loosing their weapons and the right to buy more...
Its counter productive to say the least.
 
Not only were the civil rights marches legal, they occurred in a time where a black man could resonably be expected to be assualted as he attempted to excerise his rights.

Oleg has a really intense poster about the subject.

The anti-gunner aren't going to assualt Mr. Kokesh as he tries to do what he is doing, and Washington Metro is going to enforce an exsisting law if he does it.

Just bad news all around.
 
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I've edited or deleted some posts. We don't do personal attacks, name-calling, etc., here. This is what the other side does, so let's not sink to their level. Consider this a warning.
 
What principles do your local elected officials hold? Start there, if they do not match your principles then vote them out.
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Unfortunately there are people who, Though they may oppose new gun laws, will vote for someone who opposes their view on the topic as a trade off to what they feel is more important.

This is where we come into play.

If there is anyone out there , reading these post, if you are making an effort to change minds and engaging the anti-gunners thanks and keep it up because i am seeing progress and you will too if you haven't yet. ;)

If you are not, don't just hang among the like minded, go change minds!
 
I really hope someone points this thread out to the spotlight seeking radio guy who will undoubtedly end up a lightening rod for the anti-gun folks.
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Even if he did see it, Kokesh won't care. He's a TRUE BELIEVER, and we're just a bunch of sellouts and cowards in his world. Guys like this are most dangerous because they won't listen to reason, and they don't care what consequences they inflict on others.

The more I read about this guy, the more I'm reminded of Leonard Embody.
 
I'd suggest a few practice runs at various State Capitols en route first. See if any "steam" can be gathered along the way while practicing good group control, leadership, security, permits, media interaction, keynote speakers, a raison d'etre with a desired reult... that sorta thing.

But DC in July? Not for me. Way too humid. :rolleyes:
 
The more I read about this guy, the more I'm reminded of Leonard Embody.
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IMO: Adam Kokesh is a much larger threat to our cause than Embody ever was. Leonard Embody tried to stir up folks on pro-gun websites. He was quickly banned from most sites. Embody carried an orange painted Draco in a public park. So far as i know Embody was the only one directly impacted by this action.

Adam Kokesh apparently had a rather large radio audience. If Kokesh decides to pack openly in DC he will have a following. Nothing good will come of it.
 
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