Is RUGER the Rodney Dangerfield of firearm companies...they get no respect...

I fail to see how the Security Six and Speed Six are 'superior' to my 1988 KGPF-340 GP100...

They look like this (though this is not my pic):

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they should get a S&W 686. It's a more accurate gun.
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You keep saying this but providing nothing in the way of evidence to support your claim. I provided some information from a published article involving a variety of loads shot from a Ransom rest to rebut your claim and you simply ignored it.

Do you believe that repeating a thing over and over will eventually make it true?
Yep, I'm also aware that Bill Ruger complained because of his reduced profit margins while the "Six" series was in production. But that was no one's fault but his own. Once you devalue one of your products, it's difficult to raise prices, and he was trying to keep the prices low to appeal to the police market.
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This ignores the fact that certain guns have to hit certain price points in order for people to buy them. The idea that Ruger could have merely raised the prices to keep making the "Six" series assumes that a sufficient number of customers would buy them at the higher prices. It's sort of an odd assumption given that companies generally try to make money. Clearly Ruger wanted to sell revolvers, if he thought he could sell the "Six" series for more money and make a profit doing it, there's no reason in the world why he wouldn't have done so.

The short answer is that if you want to sell products you have to appeal to the market that will buy your products and part of that process is picking a reasonable price.

The idea that making the GP100 automatically signalled the end of the Six line doesn't hold water. Clearly the introduction of the Super Redhawk didn't eliminate the Redhawk from the product line so Ruger would likely have kept selling both the Six and the GP lines if they could have done so profitably.
 
I've been buying and shooting Rugers for almost two decades. I daily carry an SR9C, as does my wife, chosen over the S&W M&P (my wife preferred the SR and I wanted us to carry the same make, model and caliber for may reasons), Glocks (which I shoot poorly due to the grip angle) and SIGs (very nice but too pricey). I've owned several GP100s, at one time had six different SP101s, a few 10/22s, a PC4, a P94, P345, a P90, etc. I have a Ruger sticker on my truck, have a couple t-shirts, covet the SR556 rifle and more than a couple No. 1s, wish they made a carbine to match the SR9 series the way they made the PC9/4 carbines and am seriously looking at getting an LCR, another 10/22 to make an LTR for Appleseed and maybe the new SR22 pistol or a MkII .22 for plinking and training.

Ruger is MY firearm manufacturer of choice. If they made a 12 gauge pump gun as good or better than a Mossberg, I'd need no other.
 
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I have a special place for Ruger, my gun cabinet. I have a Security Six, 7.5" Super Blackhawk .44, 9.5" Super Redhawk .44, and the 69th BearCat made. They all work as well as they did the day they were made, and the engraving on the old BearCat is awesome. Soon the .44 Alaskan will be with them as well as the 4 4/8 Stainless steel .44 Super Blackhawk. I had a SR9 and should have kept it, but I'm not much for semi-autos. The gun snobs can keep their overpriced S&Ws, I'll keep my Rugers that can actually fire Buffalo Bore 340gr +p+ and don't cost me the price of a mid 90's pickup truck.
 
I think Ruger gets lots of respect . . . and I really don't hear a whole lot of complaints on 'em. Yea, any company can make a 'lemon" once in a while regardless of whether it's an automotive company, an appliance company or a gun company.

Personally, I own four Rugers . . SR9, New Vaquero 357, a LCR 357 and an older, vintage Super Bearcat . . . all excellent firearms . . rugged, dependable and trouble free. I also have two Colts, one a Python and a S & W M & P target in 38 spl. This may be "sacrilegious", but I love all of my Rugers and would rather carry and shoot them, especially the NV and the BC over the "Python".

They provide excellent service, are American made . . what's to complain about? In fact, I probably will be picking up a Standard MKIII in the very near future if I can locate one.

I say . . . "Ruger all the way!" :)
 
I have four Ruger's and wouldn't part with any of them. When Bill Ruger was alive you often heard more about the company due to his presence.
 
Ruger has been great company for a longtime but I just dont understand why people give more love the sig and glock. Maybe is ruger hacked up there prices and stop listen to what people want they get more love lol
 
I believe it is all a matter of ones perception.

The Ruger line is a great line (I own three) of guns. However, in my opinion,they are not the trendy pick for firearms at present. The new SR22, SR9, and LC series is getting alot of attention though.

SA XDM line is popular and has been popular for awhile. Seems like every 6 months, they come out with something new.

I have always went against the grain somewhat when I buy my firearms. I shoot what I like and what feels good.

When I go into my LGS, Rugers used or new are still not cheap by any standards.
 
My wife shoots same-hole with her GP100 at 25 feet.

With the same pistol, is knocking over bowling pins consistently at 100 yards.

Go figure.

--Wag--
 
In the Gun Digest book of Handgun Reloading, Grennell and Clapp did a rather extensive test of a huge number of handloads using the Ransom rest. They tested 30 different guns in calibers ranging from .380 up to .45 Colt. 11 guns by S&W and 6 guns from Colt were tested including a S&W 586 and a Colt Python. The smallest group shot by any of the 30 guns in the testing was shot using the Ruger GP100 they tested. It was 0.472"—6 shots, at 25 yards using a Ransom Rest. In all fairness, the 586 and the Python weren't far behind, turning in their best groups of 0.550" for the Python and 0.525" for the 586.
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The problem here is that there are no loads given. What are the bullet types and weights? You continue to say: "The largest average group for the GP100 was 2.5". The five largest average groups for the Python were 5", 5", 3.5", 3" & 3". For the 586, 3.75", 3.5", 3.5", 3.5" and 3"."

I can't believe that the GP-100 would show that kind of advantage. In the figures I've read (and I've been reading them for years), the Rugers, including the Security-Six, do better with heavier bullets (158gr and above). This is because they tend to be preferred hunting rounds. Where the Rugers tended not to fare very well were in 110gr, 125gr JHPs. Ruger views these as self defense rounds and their revolvers do well enough with these for self defense purposes. The tests I've read for years have been pretty consistent in this regard. The Pythons and Smith 686s do better with lighter bullets.

The GP100 shot 1" average groups or smaller with 13 of the handloads tested. The 586 shot 1" average groups or smaller with 3 of the handloads tested. The Python's smallest average group with any of the handloads tested was 1.25"
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Again, I'd like to know the details. What were the group sizes? How many samples were used? Gun tester Charles E. Petty talks about some of the problems of such testing: "One of the real drawbacks of gun tests as we normally do them is that we are dealing with a sample of one. And while we fervently hope every other gun is going to be the same, it's safe to say there will always be exceptions. The famous Mr. Murphy loves to hang around the gun business."

Especially revolvers. I've seen some guns where you can drop jacketed bullets into the chambers of revolvers and they drop right through! If a gun is sized properly, bullets should catch in the throats. (Care should be taken not to push the bullets through the throats as this will resize them; however, it's a good way to check out the chambers of your revolver.)

So before proclaiming the GP-100 the champion of all .357s, we should know more. We need more samples to test and the loads should be selected with varying bullet weights and types. Most of the loads I would use would be JHPs.

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So before proclaiming the GP-100 the champion of all .357s...
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That's a strawman. My comments about the GP100 were rebutting a SINGLE claim, namely that the GP100 wouldn't shoot with a Python or a 586/686. I've not attempted to try to make any sort of a case that would crown any single handgun "champion of all" in any category.

Obviously this test involved only a single sample of each gun, but it did involve quite a variety of loads and all testing was done with a Ransom Rest to eliminate human error.
The problem here is that there are no loads given. What are the bullet types and weights?
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I'm not going to type in all the details for each load, but the testing involved 31 loads with bullets ranging from 110gr to 158gr, from Hornady, Speer, Sierra and using 2400, H110, 296 and AA-9 powders with primers from Remington and Federal.

The GP100 turned in 1" groups or smaller with bullets as light as 110gr, but most of the 1" or smaller groups it shot seemed to be with 140 & 158gr bullets.

Interestingly enough, the best groups from the 586 and the Python were also shot with 140gr bullets.

The book I'm quoting from is the "Gun Digest Book of HANDGUN RELOADING" by Dean A. Grennell and Wiley M. Clapp with Ken Howell and Mike Venturino. Published by DBI books, copyright 1987, pages 160-163 show test results from the GP100, the 586 and the Python.

Copies are still available on the used market.
http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Digest-Book-Handgun-Reloading/dp/0873490142

Where the Rugers tended not to fare very well were in 110gr, 125gr JHPs. Ruger views these as self defense rounds and their revolvers do well enough with these for self defense purposes. The tests I've read for years have been pretty consistent in this regard. The Pythons and Smith 686s do better with lighter bullets.
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Ok, I'm curious. Ignoring, for the moment, the fact that the testing showed that all of the guns in question were capable of roughly the same level of accuracy regardless of bullet weight, what mechanism is supposed to make the Colt & S&W guns shoot light bullets better than heavy bullets while the Ruger prefers heavy bullets? The only thing I can think of that might have that effect is a rifling twist difference, but from what I've been able to determine, the Colt has a faster twist which would actually mean that, if anything, it would be more likely to shoot better with heavy bullets than the GP100--just the reverse of what you're claiming.

And the S&W 586 uses the same rifling twist as the GP which suggests that there should be little or no difference between the two guns in terms of which weight bullets they shoot best.

Here's another interesting source that also quotes from the same test I've referenced as well as another test.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-7712.html

It indicates that Shooting Times did a test indicating that the GP100 and the Python shot within a few hundredths of an inch of each other out to 100 yards--both were only about 0.6" less accurate than the 686 which won that particular test.

In a 1993 Shooting Times article six 357 Magnum revolvers from six different manufacturers were tested with 14 different types of ammo utilizing Ransom Rests and shot at 4 separate distances - 25, 50, 75 , and 100 yards. All were 6" stainless revolvers.

Each revolver was shot 12 times at each distance with each load. When the groups were tabulated for all loads at all distances with each revolver these were the placements for accuracy:

1- 3.28" S&W 686
2- 3.63" Wesson Firearms FB M715
3- 3.75" Taurus M689
4- 3.83" Colt Python
5- 3.87" Ruger GP100
6- 5.08 Rossi M971

In this particular test the difference between the Python and the GP100 was hardly worth mentioning. In fact the first 5 revolvers were all pretty close.

That does not mean that the results will always be the same if a new group of the same guns would go at it again. But, at least in this test , the GP100 held its own.

In another referencer I have on hand - The Gun Digest Book of Handgun Reloading - many handguns of all popular calibers were tested again in the Ransom Rest and the very best group turned in by any gun was by a 4" GP100...
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Basically, I don't see any good evidence or rationale for your assertion that the Rugers are designed to shoot better with heavy bullets given their slower twist than Pythons and an identical twist to the 586/686, nor do I see you providing any good evidence that there's a significant difference in accuracy between the Python, the GP100 and the 586. We have one test (at 25 yards) where the GP100 edged the 586 and the Python and a second test (shot at ranges up to 100 yards) where the 586 edged the Python and the GP. However, both tests clearly indicate that the accuracy difference between the 3 guns is minimal, at best.
 
SR1911

If you think Ruger gets no respect try buying a SR1911.

My Super Redhawk and P90 are excellent guns which have performed flawlessly. They're not carry guns but are great for what I use them for.

Hopefully Ruger will offer variations of the SR1911....compact model....10mm.....one can only dream!:)
 
Rugers were my first handgun & rifles.
I currently own more Rugers now then ever.
They will be my last guns to go!

I give them lots of respect and love! :D

Lateck,
 
Is RUGER the Rodney Dangerfield of firearm companies...they get no respect...

??????

I got 3 rugers, what you talking bout?:D

LC9 was handgun of year 2011? yes? Ruger 1911 has been a hot cake hard to get.
 
I read the OPs post and thought about it. I concluded that either the OP is joking around OR he lives under a rock.

If the OP is serious, how non-observant could a person be? My take is the exact opposite, that there are too many ruger kool aid drinkers, but Rugers are fine pieces just as Fords are fine trucks, but there's something about a Cadillac.....
 
When you think of some of the very best pistols out there -

S&W 952, The Sig Sauer P220 X-Six, and P226-X-Six, P210-Legend Target, HK Mark 23 and others...

You never hear Ruger mentioned in that class.

None of the Ruger 22 semi-autos are as high-quality or perform as well as the S&W Model 41.

I haven't heard anyone say that Ruger's new 22 revolver is the equal of S&W 617.
 
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