Increasing hostility to Men & Women in Blue?
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I recognize the need for LEOs in our society.I'm not an anarchist.I take a "Which came first?The chicken or the egg?" regarding problems between citizens and LEOs.
If I had to walk into some of the neighborhoods LEOs walk into...I might not survive,and,I understand survival might require a certain "persona"
Yet that same persona might serve to further alienate the citizen.
My part in trying to be part of the solution:I respect the laws,I realize it is in my own interests to treat a uniformed person with human respect.
I want a decent,safe society for my Grandchildren.
There are two sides to every story,and,at 70 yrs old,Frank Serpico just released a story ...his views.
Maybe LEO's can do a little introspection.We all have to be part of the solution.
Here is the link
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...out-of-control-112160_Page2.html#.VFHBFsItD4g
I recognize the need for LEOs in our society.I'm not an anarchist.I take a "Which came first?The chicken or the egg?" regarding problems between citizens and LEOs.
If I had to walk into some of the neighborhoods LEOs walk into...I might not survive,and,I understand survival might require a certain "persona"
Yet that same persona might serve to further alienate the citizen.
My part in trying to be part of the solution:I respect the laws,I realize it is in my own interests to treat a uniformed person with human respect.
I want a decent,safe society for my Grandchildren.
There are two sides to every story,and,at 70 yrs old,Frank Serpico just released a story ...his views.
Maybe LEO's can do a little introspection.We all have to be part of the solution.
Here is the link
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...out-of-control-112160_Page2.html#.VFHBFsItD4g
This kind of over-the-top "police work" is an example of why the public is taking a dimmer view of law enforcement.
On Tuesday, undercover agents from the Department of Homeland Security entered a tiny boutique lingerie store in Kansas City called Birdies. The shop was selling cotton panties that bore the phrase "Take the Crown" and an artistic rendering of the Royals logo designed by one of its co-owners, Peregrine Honig.
https://sports.vice.com/article/pan...rity-and-the-great-undercover-underwear-sting
Thank goodness these heroes weren't distracted by terrorists or drug cartels. The public must be protected from renegade panty logos. Their tactics were an entirely appropriate use of force in such a dangerous situation.
On Tuesday, undercover agents from the Department of Homeland Security entered a tiny boutique lingerie store in Kansas City called Birdies. The shop was selling cotton panties that bore the phrase "Take the Crown" and an artistic rendering of the Royals logo designed by one of its co-owners, Peregrine Honig.
https://sports.vice.com/article/pan...rity-and-the-great-undercover-underwear-sting
Thank goodness these heroes weren't distracted by terrorists or drug cartels. The public must be protected from renegade panty logos. Their tactics were an entirely appropriate use of force in such a dangerous situation.
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SocialAnarchist
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Not everyone that disagrees with some police tactics and actions are "cop haters." Take me for example, I have friends that are cops, but overall I am distrustful of the police. That doesn't mean I wish them harm, but it does mean I expect them to be courteous, professional, and only use the force necessary to do their job. Add to that I would very much like to see a return to more community policing here cops actually get to know the people they serve.
I have heard you have heard this new story of cops cutting of someones cable to later return as repairmen to do a search of the biz/res. granted, these aren't your everyday boys/girls in blue, but this is whats contributing to the discontent with enforcement in general.
http://www.npr.org/2014/10/29/35972...lities-and-pose-as-repairmen-to-search-a-home
but, yesterday near where I live now, and right where I lived several years ago, a couple brazen young men attacked a patrolman, stabbed him(seems like trying to kill him) and attemted to get his firearm. the cop got off a shot and the boys disappeared into the woods. if the cop got the shot off before he got stabbed, I am sure it would have been a controversy by no choice of the officer. its difficult when it is a he said/she said, I tend to trust the everyday cop in situations like ferguson. if this cop wasn't stabbed first, it could have been the same level of outcry and suspicion if one of the boys got shot. they would have been hard-working college students that would have never hurt a fly...sad
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/roswell-officer-stabbed-suspects-large/nht2F/
http://www.npr.org/2014/10/29/35972...lities-and-pose-as-repairmen-to-search-a-home
but, yesterday near where I live now, and right where I lived several years ago, a couple brazen young men attacked a patrolman, stabbed him(seems like trying to kill him) and attemted to get his firearm. the cop got off a shot and the boys disappeared into the woods. if the cop got the shot off before he got stabbed, I am sure it would have been a controversy by no choice of the officer. its difficult when it is a he said/she said, I tend to trust the everyday cop in situations like ferguson. if this cop wasn't stabbed first, it could have been the same level of outcry and suspicion if one of the boys got shot. they would have been hard-working college students that would have never hurt a fly...sad
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/roswell-officer-stabbed-suspects-large/nht2F/
2ndsojourn
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Personally, I have no animosity towards individual police, but I do have a general distaste for our local department and some of their policies, especially regarding the runaround I get when buying a handgun. They'll never issue a permit in a timely enough fashion to take advantage of the earlier BOGO offer from Sig, or the current rebate from Colt.
Then we have the issues of expensive over-equipping of our local department. I live in a semi rural/bedroom community and our department has a huge motor home converted to a mobile command post that's only been used for parades and other community events. They also have a converted armored truck (Brinks type) for their SWAT-like team, that's never been used. Their answer to cost complaints was 'It was donated'. But the reality was it was worn out & had to be re-built, then outfitted with all their toys. No MRAP yet though.
It seems like our PD gets every gold plated piece of gingerbread they ask for regardless of cost. I guess we're all supposed to feel safer.
Then we have the issues of expensive over-equipping of our local department. I live in a semi rural/bedroom community and our department has a huge motor home converted to a mobile command post that's only been used for parades and other community events. They also have a converted armored truck (Brinks type) for their SWAT-like team, that's never been used. Their answer to cost complaints was 'It was donated'. But the reality was it was worn out & had to be re-built, then outfitted with all their toys. No MRAP yet though.
It seems like our PD gets every gold plated piece of gingerbread they ask for regardless of cost. I guess we're all supposed to feel safer.
Mr Frein ,the killer of a Trooper , has been captured in NE PA after 48 days !! I'm sure people in that are think cops are mostly OK ! That's just 35 miles from me and people here have been buying guns just in case . I though he would be long gone with so many cops looking for him but he stayed. Thanks to all police who helped.
People who don't like cops don't like them for a reason. They're either perps themselves or have them in their families. Or they're just anti government in general. The vast majority of people live their lives without giving cops a second thought, except when they pass one on the highway and they are speeding.
The reason for the animosity towards cops is a general loss of morals in this country, and an obvious media bias. The Michael Brown shooting is a perfect example. Thug assaults a cop and gets killed and the media portrays the cop as trigger happy and the lowlifes looting as "protestors". Used to be ONE cop could clear a corner. Not anymore
The reason for the animosity towards cops is a general loss of morals in this country, and an obvious media bias. The Michael Brown shooting is a perfect example. Thug assaults a cop and gets killed and the media portrays the cop as trigger happy and the lowlifes looting as "protestors". Used to be ONE cop could clear a corner. Not anymore
Most mature adults who have had bad expereinces with cops being jerks, understand that cops are individuals, and don't blanket them all with the same opinion.
Since ALL cops are after criminals, it tends to be criminals that hate all cops.
Then there are those who hang with a group of criminal thugs that are known to local police, who are always getting haslled by said police who look at each other and find some common denominator to blame it on other than the obvious common denominator that they are all criminals.
I don't believe hostility is on the increase. I believe the media makes you believe it is, in the same way they would like to to believe that crime is a growing epidemic in spite of the fact that it has been in decline for 20 years.
Things kill people daily all around the country, but when a cop kills a thug, you'd think it was the only gun death in the country with non stop media "coverage" for 6 months.
I'm not one who believe in trends based on the amount of media coverage. I believe that is the media trying to create trends by calling it "news".
Since ALL cops are after criminals, it tends to be criminals that hate all cops.
Then there are those who hang with a group of criminal thugs that are known to local police, who are always getting haslled by said police who look at each other and find some common denominator to blame it on other than the obvious common denominator that they are all criminals.
I don't believe hostility is on the increase. I believe the media makes you believe it is, in the same way they would like to to believe that crime is a growing epidemic in spite of the fact that it has been in decline for 20 years.
Things kill people daily all around the country, but when a cop kills a thug, you'd think it was the only gun death in the country with non stop media "coverage" for 6 months.
I'm not one who believe in trends based on the amount of media coverage. I believe that is the media trying to create trends by calling it "news".
Double Naught Spy
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Yeah, everything was better in the past (rosy retrospection) and cops didn't let little things like civil rights get in the way of their authority. The lack of media, cell phones, and internet meant that people were blissful in their ignorance of how society really works.
2ndsojourn
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From Bella:
"Isn't blaming the media sort of like blaming the messenger?"
No, not these days. The mainstream media has devolved over the years to a consortium of partisan hacks with extremist agendas, both left and right, to the point where they almost create the news.
When the shooting in Ferguson MI happened a couple months ago, the only thing on CNN for weeks was talking head experts falling out of the sky, and Wolf Blitzer beating the same drum, asking these 'experts' the same questions over and over. Ad nauseum. To the point where it was the only 'news' (if you can call it that) being reported.
"Isn't blaming the media sort of like blaming the messenger?"
No, not these days. The mainstream media has devolved over the years to a consortium of partisan hacks with extremist agendas, both left and right, to the point where they almost create the news.
When the shooting in Ferguson MI happened a couple months ago, the only thing on CNN for weeks was talking head experts falling out of the sky, and Wolf Blitzer beating the same drum, asking these 'experts' the same questions over and over. Ad nauseum. To the point where it was the only 'news' (if you can call it that) being reported.
People who don't like cops don't like them for a reason. They're either perps themselves or have them in their families. Or they're just anti government in general.
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I take offense to that statement.
I am an Army Infantry vet, a stand up, straight up looking and acting man -
Humble and respectful around law enforcement. I have many LE friends.
But I have been spoken rudely to and been treated as second class citizen in a few situations where there was no justification at all to do so --
It has given a cautious attitude attitude towards LE unless I am treated with respect first.
It stains all the men in blue.
Not being too eloquent this morning but - my point is every time a LE disrespects a good person for whatever reason only known to the officer -
Its not a good thing lol.
I understand taking control of a situation. Arrogance and disrespect is way different. It breeds distrust.
Of course it works both ways but - don't alienate the good folks.
At any rate - I respect the folks that take on the job. The sad part of it is dealing with so many bad folks - some assume all citizens are " bad".
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I take offense to that statement.
I am an Army Infantry vet, a stand up, straight up looking and acting man -
Humble and respectful around law enforcement. I have many LE friends.
But I have been spoken rudely to and been treated as second class citizen in a few situations where there was no justification at all to do so --
It has given a cautious attitude attitude towards LE unless I am treated with respect first.
It stains all the men in blue.
Not being too eloquent this morning but - my point is every time a LE disrespects a good person for whatever reason only known to the officer -
Its not a good thing lol.
I understand taking control of a situation. Arrogance and disrespect is way different. It breeds distrust.
Of course it works both ways but - don't alienate the good folks.
At any rate - I respect the folks that take on the job. The sad part of it is dealing with so many bad folks - some assume all citizens are " bad".
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22-rimfire
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In general, I don't view "cops" in a negative light. I do have concerns about the militarization of police forces which has steadily increased since 9-11. In many respects, what choice do police units have in today's world? There have always had the special units which tended to focus on capital crimes and drug enforcement (essentially where the accused is more likely to be armed with modern firearms or a willingness to use them). But there seems to be more special units now being used than before hence my concerns and I don't see the crime to justify such.
There are other categories of people who dislike/distrust cops today too. Honest people who have been unfairly/improperly treated, or even abused by officers for no reason they understand.
here's a point to consider, in generations past, police were expected to "work with the public" and vice versa. Today, what I hear about is cops being trained to "control the situation".
Some people feel that, aside from the fact that they wear a uniform, on the job, cops aren't any different than the rest of us. Meaning that they (the cops) should treat us (the rest of us) with the usual level of courtesy and respect we expect from everyone.
They don't. Some never did. Today, with both the faux "news" and entertainment shows beating us over the head 24/7 showing us cops "doing their job" (or worse, the screenwriter's idea of what their job is), is it any wonder that when we do meet an officer who is polite, and professional, they seem to be the exception, rather than the rule?
The other side of the coin is the lawbreakers the cops have to deal with, day in and day out. It is easy to understand an "us vs them" mindset when you deal constantly with people who might be accurately called "scum".
Trouble is, its tough for some people to shift behavior patterns, or recognize when they should.
Thanks to endless video repetition (my opinion) our perception of the police is poor. And its re-enforced on a personal level by any interaction with the police that doesn't go as well as the "civilian" thinks it ought to. Most of us, as adults don't blame the police if we get a ticket, (when we were actually doing something wrong). But if we feel we weren't wrong, then the police always get the blame.
Personally, I've never had any dealing with any police officer who was less than professional, and most have been polite. But I've seen the opposite, endlessly, in my living room.
Anyone think this might have something to do with it?
Perception does create its own reality...sad, but true
Now - I have also been treated with respect by LE of course, the majority of times.
I will never forget this gem.
I witnessed a drunk bicyclist run into a car, lay down in the road and pretend he was dying.
A total scam artist, he had tried it in the same spot more than once.
Gave my name as a witness and forgot about it.
A phone call came to me that night from a Detective.
I give bagpipe lessons to LE and thought that was why he was calling.
I said , " I didn't do it!!
He deadpans back, "I get that a lot!"
We had a good laugh.
You remember being treated respectfully --- but you remember more being treated rudely longer.
I will never forget this gem.
I witnessed a drunk bicyclist run into a car, lay down in the road and pretend he was dying.
A total scam artist, he had tried it in the same spot more than once.
Gave my name as a witness and forgot about it.
A phone call came to me that night from a Detective.
I give bagpipe lessons to LE and thought that was why he was calling.
I said , " I didn't do it!!
He deadpans back, "I get that a lot!"
We had a good laugh.
You remember being treated respectfully --- but you remember more being treated rudely longer.
over 800,000 cops in this country. find any city in this country with that same population that has less murder, rape, larceny, and morality offenses. hell, I'll even let you include those under 18 and over 65 in the city's population. ok, lets expand it to any county as well.
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