I'm SO SICK of this illegal alien situation!

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Just to add how bad it's getting. I recently relocated to the Yuma AZ. area about 6mo ago. At least I thought it was in AZ., maybe only on paper though. My wife was looking for new employment down here thinking she might have a chance since she can read, write and speak english. One of the places she tried was Dole (foods), she went for an interview and had to wait over 2 hours until they could locate someone at the company who knew english well enough to conduct an interview. That's really sad.

kenny b
 
The very idea that uncontrolled immigration of people with less then an 8th grade education is good for our country is ridiculous regardless of who or where there from, simply control our borders. Only the wealthy gain from the open border policy why else does it continue.
 
The very idea that uncontrolled immigration of people with less then an 8th grade education is good for our country is ridiculous regardless of who or where there from, simply control our borders.
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Yeah it never worked back in 1890 did it?

WildreadsomehistoryAlaska
 
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The very idea that uncontrolled immigration of people with less then an 8th grade education is good for our country is ridiculous regardless of who or where there from, simply control our borders.
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Yeah it never worked back in 1890 did it?
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We had uncontroled immigration in 1890?

badbob
 
If you really wanted to solve the problem, take the billions of dollars for border fences, and spend it prosecuting employers who hire these people. Empower the Border Patrol to raid restaurants, construction sites, farmer fields, whatever. Back it up with an immediate corporate "death penalty" for hiring illegal workers, and prison time for the executives of the corporations. I'm serious.
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That sounds a little harsh considering illegals can lie & falsify documents. How about giving the illegal some / most of the responsibility for the crime?

This problem of illegals certainly is not a new one so now I think it safe to say that the government is totally letting the American people down by not securing our border properly. I smell corruption. Our military is so big 'n bad and goes all over kickin butt, they could dang well easily secure that border if they wanted to.
 
yeah we did
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Yeah, but there is a really big difference between the immigration back then and the immigration of today. Back then we turned away criminals and people with diseases. Add to this the fact that by in large the dregs of Europe didn't have the scratch to afford a ticket across the pond and you have a decent system. Add to that further that these people immediately tried to assimilate into american culture and you have a positive thing for our country.

Today's situation isn't even close.
 
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you must live on the border or something. I live in Southern Illinois. I capitalize Southern because I don't want to associate myself with the other half of the state. Where I live is completely surrounded by farms. I work for the county highway department and all we do all day is cut brush that borders farms or lay down road on long stretches out in the country where there is nothing but farmland on each side of the road. I have yet to see anything but middle aged white males do the farming in my area. And my housekeeper is a middle aged white female. And I've never stepped in the local Wal-Mart. And my uncle helps me with the landscaping (also a middle aged white male). Not everybody is the stereotypical fat lazy american so please don't generalize. For a short time I did work with a man at the county who was Mexican-American. He was fired because he rarely showed up to work on time and when he did he didn't do too much of anything. If illegals worked so hard they would use the free tuition as well as all the other handouts our government gives them and make something of themselves. Instead they paint fence or pick fruit. Ill paint my own fence and pick my own fruit. They could all crawl right back to Mexico and I can safely say it wouldn't bother me one bit!:barf:
 
Back then we turned away criminals and people with diseases
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O really? Perfunctory checks for skin diseases or TB based on 1890s technology? Criminal records checks then? No wonder all those Mafiosi got turned away LOL

Add to this the fact that by in large the dregs of Europe didn't have the scratch to afford a ticket across the pond and you have a decent system.
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You need to study the history of immigration if you really beleive that....check out the lifestyle of the Scilian peasant or the Shtetl Jew if you think those folks werent the dregs.

dd to that further that these people immediately tried to assimilate into american culture and you have a positive thing for our country.
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Study up a bit...wasnt the adults assimilating, it was their kids...

WildreadreadreadAlaska
 
Add to that further that these people immediately tried to assimilate into american culture and you have a positive thing for our country.
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There are/were an awful lot of enclaves established during that time that exist to some extent today. Chinatown, Koreatown, Little Italy, Spanish Harlem, etc... these were areas that had their own papers, signs, spoken languages that allowed someone of that ethnicity to basically live entirely without assimilation into the greater american culture.

I agree that certain assimilation should take place and it would strengthen everyone. A common national language is a great start. Save on paperwork (if someone wants a government form in a different language, they need to pay for it) in all levels of government. ESL classes are fine, but other classes should not be taught in any other languages. Licensed businesses should be required to conduct business primarily in English (or be required to on demand) to ensure equal access.

I fully support any politician that proposes a national language. If attached to that is funding for any American who wishes to get 2-3 years of "Practical English Training", so be it. Such a politician would not be alienating (no pun intended) non-English speakers but working to better America.
 
O really? Perfunctory checks for skin diseases or TB based on 1890s technology? Criminal records checks then? No wonder all those Mafiosi got turned away LOL

Run a search on Ellis Island.
 
"I just wondered... can some illegals vote in the right conditions"

Not legally...but id requirements vary

What they can do is affect the population figures for a district

I saw some figures on California..there are some very populated districts that have a very small percentage of that population able to vote

Mexico's current economic plan is to export their poor

That is the biggest problem IMO

I know plenty of Mexican Nationals that have zero desire to come to the USA

The difference is that they have good jobs in Mexico

Illegal immigration has been going on forever

It just got "popular" recently
 
WildAlaska, at the very least beginning at the time of Ellis Island: "The first general Federal Immigration Law denied entrance to "any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a public charge." In 1891 this law was expanded to include the expulsion of paupers, prostitutes, polygamists, or "persons suffering from a loath-some or a dangerous contagious disease."

I know for a fact that when immigrants came in to the country in the 70s and 80s they went through very thorough examinations, physical and mental.
 
I know for a fact that when immigrants came in to the country in the 70s and 80s they went through very thorough examinations, physical and mental.
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Were you there?:D

It was about 2% exclusion as I understand it

WildtrachomaAlaska
 
Ha! I know people who were though (are you doubting I would have passed the mental requirements! :D ). Also didn't the requirements for citizenship used to be amazingly hard to meet? Years and years in a steady job without being fired etc?

2% exclusion doesn't seem like much. It implies that the officials in charge of "inspecting" immigrants didn't do their job. I don't know. Facts as I interpret them show that not all of those 98 percent who got in actually ended up actually fitting the requirements as set in 1800s... so something went wrong along the way! Are these requirements still even in place?

Theoretically its all very complicated. For example, doesn't immigration itself set up a sort of caste system?
 
Requirements for citizenship have varied...

For instance, citizenship requirements were a big fight in the 1850s, as different parties, particularly the Democrats and the Know-Nothings, pushed back and forth. Democrats, who had a lot of strength in the Irish and German immigrant communities, wanted to shorten them. Know-Nothings wnated them lengthened, to 21 years, IIRC. The Democrats won, for the most part, as the new Republican party absorbed the Know-Nothings' votes, but didn't enact any of their ideas.

The pendulum continued to swing back and forth, and has done so ever since.

So it's not as cut and dried as many think it is. This nation has always had a push-pull over immigration. Today is no different, nor is the hysteria surrounding the issue right now.

We've been here before. It worked out fine.

--Shannon
 
"Respect OUR culture enough to learn English "


Theres that, but what irks me the most is rubbing mexico in our faces, seeing mexican flags flying in yards and storefronts, plastered on cars etc....

What i have always wanted answered is if mexico is so great and they are so damned proud of it, why dont they live there?

Once i saw one of those stickers of the cartoon kid peeing on the back of a car, under the pee it said "la migra" i just shook my head.
 
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