If you had to go in first, what kind of handgun would you use?

Call in the professionals who know what the heck they are doing at watch the scene unfold on CNN.

If I really HAD to do it myself give me a newfangled russian ugly Bizon smg..its a 9mm burpgun built like an AK with a 66 round mag, or an AK74SU "krinkov". Call me kooky but I like the russian guns.

If all I had was a handgun.. out of all the handguns I've shot and or used in competition and such..I still say a BHP with the mag safty removed is the way to go. There are newer designs,bigger calibers etc.. but its what I shoot best and what jams the least.
 
If we drop the handgun limitation, I'd definitely go with a Colt M-4A1 assault carbine equipped with a Beta-C 100-round double-drum mag, AN/PAQ-4 "death dot" laser-dot sight, Trijicon ACOG reflex sight, and Masterkey underslung 12-gauge shotgun with double-ought buckshot in it.
 
355sigfan,

Well I would want a reliable handgun that leaves many custom 1911's out.
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Yeah.

After all, what do FBI SWAT, FBI HRT, LAPD SWAT, Marine Force Recon and others know about picking reliable handguns?
 
Tamara,

He did qualify the 1911 statement with "many" not "all".;)

I know the force recon 1911's must be reliable, they're fairly sloppy.

Along the same lines as the MK 23 voters, I'm thinking something like a .41 Desert Eagle. If it's going to be an offensive handgun, it might as well be the biggest, heaviest pistol that can deliver multiple heavy loads quickly.

If it's not starting in a holster the safety system, size and weight just don't matter.

That, or a VP70 with burst stock in place. (That's kind of cheating, though.)
 
If entry is dynamic and I have nothing but a pistol then options include
1. Springfield Loaded, tuned for utter reliability.
2. HK USPf in .45 ACP.
3. Glock 19

IF entry is stealthy, then a suppressor is definitely an option and I would use
1. HK USPf .45 ACP
2. Glock 19

Of course this is all situation dependent. I'd have to consider what the ROE is and what the mission is, in particular, do I have to take prisoners or can I just deal death and destruction.

Flashbangs are "loud and bright" :D , but one of the benefits of suppressors is that if you hear gunfire you know that the BG's are definitely involved.

JMHO
 
Tamara- (Sarcasm Mode On) Yeah, custom 1911's aren't worth a darn. See if you don't carry the gun I carry, you are ignorant. I bought a few Les Baers and a Larry Vickers custom and they were so unreliable I use them to scrape the frost of my truck in the morning. That's about all they're good for. (Sarcasm Mode Off)
 
He did qualify the 1911 statement with "many" not "all".

Yes thats right. I am not sure about the Les bears (sorry spelling). A friend of mine just bought one and its sure is preaty but the slide is so stiff if is hard to work the action. I have not fired it neither has he as its winter and cold. But I don't think it will be reliable unitl its been through one hell of a long break in period. I don't think it will work in -40 below temperatures. All that accuracy comes at a cost in reliability at least in my experence with shooting others custom 1911's. I will admit there are 1911's that run grreat and will feed anything. I have owned a few then I have owned a few that were very picky. I don't trust them as a whole. I personally trust the stock gun like the kimber more than the tightly tuned ones. I would rather carry my glocks when the stuff hits the fan and I need the gun to work.
PAT
 
The FBI-spec Springfield Professional I have had the tightest barrel-to-slide lockup of any 1911 I've ever felt. First time I went to pull the slide back, I thought the thumb safety was on.

Seemed to pass the FBI's 20,000 round reliability test just fine. Also had to be capable of 1.5" @ 25 yards with Golden Sabers.

It has worked just fine for me.

I've had a lot of 1911's I didn't trust for carry. The Professional ain't one of 'em.
 
Pat- I'm just teasin' ya :) Buying any firearm nowadays can be hit or miss. We hear horror stories about nearly every major design out there. You seem to have total confidence in your Glock. Which is great! More power to ya! My dad was shopping for his first handgun recently and he decided on a G19. Its a very sweet handgun!

Tamara- Did you Springfield loosen up after breaking it in?

Dan
 
Tamara- Did you Springfield loosen up after breaking it in?
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I wouldn't call it "loosened up" so much as "smoothed out". It still feels as though it's carved out of a single piece of steel when locked up, but the locking lugs don't feel like they're molecularly bonded to the slide when you rack it anymore.
 
Hemicuda,
The saying came out of Jackie Brown.

Without a doubt, I would carry either an MP5 (with Beta C 100 rd mag) or a short barreled 870P with tactical stock/pistol grip. As for my back-up handgun, it would be a 92 Elite II with one 15 rd mag and two or three 20 rounders. No need for suppressors, maybe just a good flashlight.
 
Pat- I'm just teasin' ya Buying any firearm nowadays can be hit or miss

I agree Ronin308. The 1911 is an excellent design that some have messed up when they have attempted to duplicate it. Some are great and some of the best fighitng pistols in exhistance others are well not. Every company has its lemons. I have had a lemon glock a 27 that did not work for me I sold it. I also trust the following brands preaty well: Sig, HK, Beretta, Para, Kimber, Smith revolvers thats about it.
PAT
 
...if I were "first thru the door", I'd be totin' a Remington 1100 with an extended magazine!!! No offense, but...if you KNOW you're going in, you'd hafta be DAFT not to take a long arm of some type!!!....mikey357
 
Almost all the handguns mentioned so far would be okay. It's what you're used to, have confidence in, and can accurately shoot, sometimes shooting several shots accurately.

Suppressor? Why? We're talking entry guns. Not taking out perimeter guards. Believe me, if you had to go in, and had to shoot, you'd never hear it. Adrenalin does a funny thing to ears.
 
Well...

I have gone first a handful of times. So I guess its my S&W 4506.

Silencers- if a patrol officer is clearing the house, this sure isn't a planned out thing (SWAT would be doing it if it were), so I've never used a silencer. Also, the times I've watched SWAT go in, they didn't use them either. I can think of one possible use for silencers, though- if your team is all suppressed and you hear a loud BANG, you know its a BG shooting. Not sure if that makes them worthwhile or not.

Mike
 
Well, Mr. Hand grenade would go in first, backed up by my 1911 45...

If there was REAL badguys in there, I suppose something 'like a good rent a car' (Tank), could take out opposing corners of the structure, pump it full of CS, followed by a flashbang to set it off, then I could sit back and say they commited suicide...
 
If I were to go in first....

This is an easy one, but lets cover somthing first. I'm not a cop or a member of any speacial forces squad. The key to this scenerio is good recon and intelligence. Thermal imaging (depending on the budget) would give the assult team the edge over any weapon I know. If you know where your bad guys are, how they walk, how many cigarettes they smoke in an hour, you'll know the frame of mind, and just how far those bums would want to take the situation. Also, it might give you some idea of what they (badguys) might be packing. With that said, my choice, the obvious one, is to go in, no kevlar vest, no goggles, just a pair of jeans, some ear plugs, four or five extra clips for my Desert Eagle .50 AE. You only get 9 shots per clip, but w/ a desert eagle, all you need is someone outside w/ the thermal imaging to direct you. Back up gun, definatly be Wilson close quarters 1911.
 
Colt Commando with a Beta C, man. Rain o' lead from the hip :D

But in terms of pistols... well, a nice, high-cap gun would do, probably in .45. So I'd say maybe a Para-ord P14, or a SOCOM without mr silencer.
 
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