if you ccw a snub nose revolver, how many speed loaders you carry?

I don't really carry my snub nose anymore; I prefer my 3" revolver for my main carry gun.

As for the reloads, it depends. Usually, just a speed-strip in my pocket or in an ammo pouch on my belt. If I am OWB carrying my revolver, I may take 1 speed-loader in a pouch next to it, but its pretty rare these days. Strips are just too convenient.
 
If you have failed at the target selection process and are now shooting to save your life that 5 shot snubby is going to be a severe disadvantage.

That would kind of depend on who you're shooting at and how many of them there are wouldn't it? If you find yourself faced with a troupe of crips or bloods, then you're probably right that a 5-shot snub is not going to stack the odds in your favor, but if you find yourself faced with one 300+ lb Hell's Angel, then the revolver which can fire a more powerful, deeper penetrating cartridge than a semi-auto of comparable size would seem like the better gun to me.

Let's be honest for a moment here, allowing yourself to get into a situation where you have to face multiple armed attackers who are willing to brave gunfire in order to get whatever it is that they're after has already put you at a far greater disadvantage than your equipment selection ever could. The more important thing in such a situation would be seeking cover and/or getting far, far away from the situation in a very big hurry IMHO. As to the selection of gun and caliber, it depends on your lifestyle and where you live as to which type of gun is best for you.
 
The amount of ammunition I carry depends on where I'm going. If I'm making a quick run to Home Depot I'll stick my S&W in a pocket holster and thats it. I generally don't carry extra rounds if I'm carrying a revolver. If I'm going to be out for awhile, going to a mall, school, or any public forum, I generally carry an auto with one extra mag.
 
That would kind of depend on who you're shooting at and how many of them there are wouldn't it? If you find yourself faced with a troupe of crips or bloods, then you're probably right that a 5-shot snub is not going to stack the odds in your favor, but if you find yourself faced with one 300+ lb Hell's Angel, then the revolver which can fire a more powerful, deeper penetrating cartridge than a semi-auto of comparable size would seem like the better gun to me.


If that was true I would agree. I am just as fond of revolvers and magnums as anyone, but let's not let emotion cloud the facts.

Unfortunately, when trouble finds you, you do not get to choose what manner of criminal or how many there are. Sometimes you have the option of bugging out VS a fight, sometimes you do not. A revolver is ever bit the equal of the auto until you run dry, please do not tell me you can load like Jerry Miculek when you are under the stress of a fight.

This is my EDC (Glock 27/33). 14 rounds of 357 Sig. which is more powerful and more controllable than the 5 shot 357 snub that weighs the same and is the same general size. This is my carry load.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357sig125graingolddotjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx
 

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If that was true I would agree. I am just as fond of revolvers and magnums as anyone, but let's not let emotion cloud the facts.

Unfortunately, when trouble finds you, you do not get to choose what manner of criminal or how many there are. Sometimes you have the option of bugging out VS a fight, sometimes you do not. A revolver is ever bit the equal of the auto until you run dry, please do not tell me you can load like Jerry Miculek when you are under the stress of a fight.

No, you don't get to choose who, when, at what distance, or how many attackers you'll be faced with, but you can, through evaluation of your lifestyle, ascertain the most likely scenario for you to find yourself in and pick the gun/cartridge best suited to that situation.

Given my lifestyle, I know that I am much more likely to be faced with one or two very large individuals than I am many small to average sized individuals. Also, because I will do my best to simply leave rather than fight, I can also come to the conclusion that a situation in which I would have to use my gun would likely be at very short range up to and including contact distance.

For these reasons, I prefer a revolver due to the extra power and penetration it offers and its ability to fire repeatedly at contact distance without being pushed out of battery. I fully realize that a semi-auto can be had with much higher capacity and can be reloaded quicker and more easily, but the advantages of a revolver outweigh the advantages of a semi-auto for my purposes.

This is my EDC (Glock 27/33). 14 rounds of 357 Sig. which is more powerful and more controllable than the 5 shot 357 snub that weighs the same and is the same general size. This is my carry load.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357sig1...ntboxof50.aspx

If that works for you, great but something with more penetration fits my needs better because I'm most likely to be faced with a very large individual. While the .357 Sig can come fairly close to the .357 Magnum's ballistics with light-to-medium weight bullets, the .357 Magnum still outperforms it by a good margin when used with heavy bullets (this is why there are relatively few .357 Sig loadings with bullets heavier than 125gr). It is for this reason that my preferred carry load in a .357 Magnum is a 158gr hollowpoint. Were I to use something from Underwood's lineup, I'd probably be going with this:

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357magnum158grainjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx
 
Whenever I carry a revolver concealed or open I carry 4 Bianchi Speed Strips. They conceal so much easier that the round HKS or Safariland Speed Loaders. The down side is they are not as fast.
 
if you ccw a snub nose revolver, how many speed loaders you carry?

Kemosabe,

The words 'Speed reloading' and 'snub .38' should not be used in the same sentence.

I strongly suggest if you pack a snub... back two. The second snub IS the speed load.

That or practice a real lot with your snub (as I do.) And then maybe still pack a second snub!

Snubs are hard to shoot well and your opponent will NOT give you points for having a less effective weapon than they have.

Deaf
 
If that works for you, great but something with more penetration fits my needs better because I'm most likely to be faced with a very large individual. It is for this reason that my preferred carry load in a .357 Magnum is a 158gr hollowpoint. Were I to use something from Underwood's lineup, I'd probably be going with this:



While the .357 Sig can come fairly close to the .357 Magnum's ballistics with light-to-medium weight bullets, the .357 Magnum still outperforms it by a good margin when used with heavy bullets (this is why there are relatively few .357 Sig loadings with bullets heavier than 125gr).

The two are so close is comes down to individual loads and guns in the 125 Grain bullet range. You are absolutely correct with heavier bullets, the 357 Sig is a one trick pony.

The felons I saw ventilated with 158 grain 357 mags were all thru and thru wounds and the bullets usually failed to expand. The 125's are less likely to overpenetrate with as much energy as the lighter bullet sheds velocity faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ughIFOrIP_w&feature=plcp

For any felon I am likely to have a bad encounter with I think this will work just fine.


The words 'Speed reloading' and 'snub .38' should not be used in the same sentence.

I strongly suggest if you pack a snub... back two. The second snub IS the speed load.

That or practice a real lot with your snub (as I do.) And then maybe still pack a second snub!

Snubs are hard to shoot well and your opponent will NOT give you points for having a less effective weapon than they have.

I could not agree more.
 
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The two are so close is comes down to individual loads and guns in the 125 Grain bullet range. You are absolutely correct with heavier bullets, the 357 Sig is a one trick pony.

It is worthy of note that, while the paper ballistics of the .357 Magnum and .357 Sig with 125gr bullets are very close, the .357 Magnum can, with the right loading, behave very differently. The majority of .357 Sig loadings use either a 9mm bullet or one slightly modified to hold up better to 1300+fps velocity. As such, they usually behave about like modern 9mm loadings in that they typically penetrate 12-16" and expand to 1.5-2x original diameter.

While many 125gr .357 Magnum loadings, particularly the more "modern" ones with fully jacketed bullets (some of which are bonded), perform this way as well, many of the older designs, specifically semi-jacketed hollowpoints, perform quite differently. These older bullets will often shed their jackets in relatively large shards yet still retain 60% or more of their weight and penetrate 11-13". While bullet fragementation is usually an undesireable trait, it's typically considered undesirable because it often yields quite shallow penetration (often as low as 8"). A good argument could be made that fragmentation with adequate penetration is actually desirable because it acts synergistically with temporary cavitation to produce tissue damage beyond what temporary cavity without fragmentation is capable of. Such effects have been documented by Dr. Martin Fackler with fragmenting rifle bullets. While we obviously shouldn't expect the same degree of tissue damage due to lower levels of kinetic energy, I see no reason not to expect similar effect on a smaller scale with a fragmenting yet adequately penetrating handgun bullet.

The felons I saw ventilated with 158 grain 357 mags were all thru and thru wounds and the bullets usually failed to expand. The 125's are less likely to overpenetrate with as much energy as the lighter bullet sheds velocity faster.

I don't know precisely what loadings you saw the effects of, but it is a fact that one has to be somewhat careful about bullet construction with the heavier .357 Magnum loadings as some have difficulty expanding in erect bipeds. Probably one of the most notorious offenders is the 158gr Hydra-Shok which, from the tests I've seen, cannot be trusted to expand from anything less than a 4" barrel. Others that can be iffy, particularly from short barrels, include the 158gr Gold Dot as loaded by Speer and the 158gr XTP as loaded by Hornaday (the extra velocity of boutique makers like Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and Double Tap would probably help matters considerably with these particular bullets).

There are, however, other loadings with heavy bullets that expand much more reliably though they are, ironically, some of the older loadings available. The more trustworthy loadings with heavy bullets would include the Federal and Remington 158gr semi-jacketed hollowpoint loadings and Winchester 145gr Silvertip. These loadings, while still penetrating rather deeply (usually 15.5-16.5" in bare gelatin) still expand reliably because their more dated bullets are fragile enough to expand even at their more moderate velocity (which is a relative term since all three still usually clock 1200-1300fps from 4" barrels and 1100+fps from snubs). While I've not seen any testing on it in particular, I suspect that the Cor-Bon 140gr JHP loading would also fall into this category as the Sierra bullets used by Cor-Bon seem to expand quite reliably at anything much over 1000fps (less in some calibers) often to the point of fragmentation if velocity is too high.

I probably should mention that while the 158gr Gold Dot would be my choice from Underwood's lineup, my first choice of all brands is Remington 158gr SJHP as, for this particular caliber, I think its more fragile bullet gives a better balance of expansion and penetration. Finally, don't assume that a bullet which exits the target is necessarily less effective than one that doesn't. A bullet that exits fully expanded very likely did very nasty things on its way through whatever it perforated.
 
Webley,

I think you misunderstand. I am not arguing with you. I agree with most everything you have posted as it coincides with my experience as well.

I do however think that the 357 Sig is significantly more effective than the 9mm and this I listen to what police Departments say that use the round such as Texas DPS.
 
I think you misunderstand. I am not arguing with you. I agree with most everything you have posted as it coincides with my experience as well.

Oh, I understand. I'm really clarifying my own statements more than anything:)

I do however think that the 357 Sig is significantly more effective than the 9mm and this I listen to what police Departments say that use the round such as Texas DPS.

It depends, I suppose, on exactly which 9mm and which .357 Sig loadings you're comparing. In a high-velocity boutique loading like the Underwood you carry I can see a significant increase in wounding potential with the .357 Sig. However, when comparing more "mainstream" .357 Sig loadings to 9mm +P and +P+ loadings like Speer 124gr Gold Dot or Winchester 127gr Ranger, I think the difference is probably a lot smaller.

The primary reason that I've never been particularly interested in .357 Sig is because I've already got a 10mm which covers my top-end semi-auto niche pretty thoroughly :D
 
most of the time only 1.

If I have to go to a bad area I will throw a second one in my pocket and possibly put on My shoulder Holster for another gun as well (if I have the chance)
 
I've not often carried a pair of J-frames. It's happened. Just not often.

When I carry a J-frame I prefer to carry 2-4 speedstrips, or 2-3 speedloaders. Depends on my clothing.

I've carried only 1 speedstrip ... and I've carried more than 4 speedloaders. (Depends on my planned activities, areas of travel, clothing choices, etc)

I look at the diminutive 5-shot snubs (or 6-shot .380's) as choices for times when I don't feel the need to be armed as if I were going on-duty. Carrying spare ammunition isn't that much more effort to carry than the actual weapon.

FWIW, in on of the update/training lectures I attended this year, several instances were given of officers who successfully used backup 5-shot .38's to defend themselves from 1, 2 and even 3 armed attackers. The diminutive .380's saved some lives, too.

Revolver skills aren't as common as they once were, though.

I've seen too many instances where revolver users either hadn't been trained to properly & effectively load their revolvers (reloading under time constraints), or hadn't maintained their skills from an earlier time when they commonly carried revolvers ... and now wanted to carry a 5-shot snub for a secondary, off-duty or retirement weapon.
 
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