How much ammo do you carry daily

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They don't have firing pins or small parts that could break on a whim. Thats a scary thing to have a gun part break on you in a self defence shooting.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ted Ziolkowski's pistol jammed right after the 78-year-old farmer shot someone for the first time in his life late Thursday night.

He left a single hollow-point round in the chest of a 17-year-old Cleveland youth who was later arrested for aggravated burglary, for trying to break into the rental property Ziolkowski owns on Clement Ave., on Cleveland's southeast side.
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TOM SERVO:
If one has decent training, good situational awareness, the common sense to avoid trouble, and a reliable weapon he's proficient with, he's ahead of 99% of the population. The rest is down to splitting hairs over loadout.

A competent shooter who carries a 15-round automatic with a reload isn't necessarily paranoid, nor does his loadout suggest he'll feel compelled to exhaust all 30 rounds in a confrontation. Nor is someone who carries a smaller gun or array of ammunition tempting fate. It just comes down to comfort level.
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As WND reported yesterday, the couple was pummeled at a stoplight the night of April 14 by dozens of black teens, and the newspaper had no mention of the incident for two weeks, despite the fact the victims, Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami, are both news reporters for the paper.
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Did you hear about this?
 
mavracer, you are developing a pattern of following my posts with arguments against claims or suggestions I have not made.

If COM is not effective after a couple rounds, it's time to consider head or pelvis.

Shooting until threat ceases does not mean shooting stupidly.
 
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9mm,

Regarding flash mobs and the like, a pistol in any capacity would be of limited effect. Between identifying which people are attackers and which are bystanders, prioritizing targets, and watching my background, it's unlikely I'd be able to incapacitate more than a couple of them before the others disarmed me.

It's not like they're going to stand politely at five yards and let me take aim.
 
TS, you have a point.

My counter would be that if I am retreating, with weapon drawn but in retention mode, the odds are that situation will, like Occam's Razor, result in only malfeasants offering active pursuit.
 
Tom Servo
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9mm,

Regarding flash mobs and the like, a pistol in any capacity would be of limited effect...
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meaning...?

There's no doubt a flash-mob occurrence is an instant Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot:eek: situation whereby I would love to have a carbine with a few 30 rounders but my pistol is the next best available (and legal) tool so I'll take it.

-Cheers
 
Folks in the gun culture love resorting to cheap, all-or-nothing statements of absolute certainty. The 9mm won't stop anything, 1911's jam, the Beretta's going to blow up in your face...I hear it all day long.

If one has decent training, good situational awareness, the common sense to avoid trouble, and a reliable weapon he's proficient with, he's ahead of 99% of the population. The rest is down to splitting hairs over loadout.

A competent shooter who carries a 15-round automatic with a reload isn't necessarily paranoid, nor does his loadout suggest he'll feel compelled to exhaust all 30 rounds in a confrontation. Nor is someone who carries a smaller gun or array of ammunition tempting fate. It just comes down to comfort level.

I don't feel more vulnerable with a revolver than I do with a high-capacity auto. Yet, if I'm carrying the latter, I'll have it loaded to full capacity. Why? I honestly...well, it seems weird not to. I usually carry a spare mag when I carry one, even though I won't carry it if it's given me trouble. So, why the spare? Don't know. Habit, I suppose.

I know what works for me. That might be different for someone else. To each his own.
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Conversation over. Very well put. Open your minds people.
 
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As WND reported yesterday, the couple was pummeled at a stoplight the night of April 14 by dozens of black teens, and the newspaper had no mention of the incident for two weeks, despite the fact the victims, Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami, are both news reporters for the paper.
Did you hear about this?
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This was discussed on this forum already.


Tom Servo
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9mm,

Regarding flash mobs and the like, a pistol in any capacity would be of limited effect...
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meaning...?

There's no doubt a flash-mob occurrence is an instant Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot situation whereby I would love to have a carbine with a few 30 rounders but my pistol is the next best available (and legal) tool so I'll take it.
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I think what he means is that it isn't feasible to engage an entire flash mob.
 
Just for interest, a study of single armed folks (police officers) faced by mobs found that sometimes they just freeze up and take the beating, even to the point of death (Violence - by Collins). It seems the large mob achieves a dominance position over the lone victim (even though armed) and shuts down their action responses.

Now, I'm sure you would say that wouldn't happen to you but just tossing it out. Mobs sometimes cause the victim to just fall apart.
 
I always have a reload.

No matter the weapon, a reload is with me, whether it's a six round speed strip, or a 16 round magazine, I carry a reload. Too many times, with an automatic, the only thing wrong with the gun was the mag, and a fresh one solved it immediately. Too easy to carry one to NOT have one.
 
Flash mob! Doesn't the "NAKED PREY" with Cornell Wilde start like that?
The message here is, that's no time to turn chicken! Roadrunner yes, chicken, no!
 
Since I have never had the need to defend myself with a gun, I find carrying a concealed handgun a bit of a hassle at times. So, I carry one load in the gun. I do keep a box of shells inside my vehicle however.
 
I carry AT LEAST one complete re-load for whichever 1911/Browning Hi-Power I am carrying for a several reasons.
1. Many of the "malfunctions" I have witnessed in 37 years of law enforcement have been from damaged or dirty magazines.
2. I will not be in a position determine beforehand the nature of my "emergency". (How many rounds will it take to solve my problem? How many assailants will I be dealing with?)
3. I may not be able to withdraw or escape after the initial attack/encounter.
4. I cannot make an appointment for an emergency, so I try to prepare in general terms what the solution might call for.
 
One thing to keep in mind is the expence $$$ after you use your gun in self defence.

A man spent 112 days in jail before he was found “not guilty” of defending himself after two men chased him down in West Des Moines. 49 yr old Jay Lewis, an ex-cop, shot one of the men threatening to attack him.
After his release from jail, Lewis spent nights sleeping in a car before a church became aware of his situation, donated him clothes. and rented him a hotel room. He even lost his job.

LINK:
http://www.radioiowa.com/2012/03/07/man-who-shot-in-self-defense-now-cause-celebre-at-statehouse/

Just something to think about. I feel safe carrying 4 round in my COP.
 
What would that have to do with how much ammo you carry? Reasonable force shouldn't depend on how many cartridges you had left in your pockets after the encounter.
 
Well...George probably wished he had carried more on that hot June day....
"Benteen. Come on. Big village. Be quick. Bring pack. P.S. Bring pacs.
 
Pistol, full mag, no reload except when going to the woods. but I do carry extra ammo in the truck + at least 1 more pistol (faster than a reload).
 
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