How much ammo do you carry daily
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MLeake said
People who argue against capacity or spares confuse me. If I can conceal a pistol, I can almost always conceal a spare magazine, loader, or strip. Guess it's too much trouble for some, so they'd rather just argue statistics.
I'm not arguing statistics, just asking for examples.
Steve
People who argue against capacity or spares confuse me. If I can conceal a pistol, I can almost always conceal a spare magazine, loader, or strip. Guess it's too much trouble for some, so they'd rather just argue statistics.
I'm not arguing statistics, just asking for examples.
Steve
Steve,
I think you are looking for an answer that no one has. It could be that CCW's do not actually get involved like they say they will. I do not think anyone tracks that metric. It sounds to me that you are seeking validation to your decision to carry no extra ammo. Your requirement that it only by CCW and not LEO is funny, because they are gonna be the same BG. A more relevant question would be what is the hit ratio between CCW and LEO.
I was involved in numerous situations where I was taking direct fire from Mexico, there was no discernible target to shoot back at. The Mexican cops arrived, got into a shootout with the BG's, those that survived ran to us for protection because the only ammo they had was in the gun and when it was gone and the BG was still a threat, guess who was in it deep?
I could do for you what I did with the guys that worked for me when they asked me a question like that:
Find out and tell me tomorrow.
Example: BBQ owner near scene of fatal IHOP shooting, he chose to not get involved, who knows how many rounds he would have fired.
Example: Trolley Square, CCWer armed w/9mm chose to challenge shooter instead of just shooting him, was shot 4 times and almost died.
It may be that you are looking for a meaningless statistic like the 3 shots at 3 feet rubbish, which incidentally are stats the FBI gathered from the gunfights that cops lost starting in the 1960's.
I already gave you two examples of off duty cops, who are no different from CCW's as they are "Not responding" they are there when crap happens and react.
My google-fu is lacking, but there was a dog mauling where a ccw carrier used his mouse gun to little effect.
Bob
I think you are looking for an answer that no one has. It could be that CCW's do not actually get involved like they say they will. I do not think anyone tracks that metric. It sounds to me that you are seeking validation to your decision to carry no extra ammo. Your requirement that it only by CCW and not LEO is funny, because they are gonna be the same BG. A more relevant question would be what is the hit ratio between CCW and LEO.
I was involved in numerous situations where I was taking direct fire from Mexico, there was no discernible target to shoot back at. The Mexican cops arrived, got into a shootout with the BG's, those that survived ran to us for protection because the only ammo they had was in the gun and when it was gone and the BG was still a threat, guess who was in it deep?
I could do for you what I did with the guys that worked for me when they asked me a question like that:
Find out and tell me tomorrow.
Example: BBQ owner near scene of fatal IHOP shooting, he chose to not get involved, who knows how many rounds he would have fired.
Example: Trolley Square, CCWer armed w/9mm chose to challenge shooter instead of just shooting him, was shot 4 times and almost died.
It may be that you are looking for a meaningless statistic like the 3 shots at 3 feet rubbish, which incidentally are stats the FBI gathered from the gunfights that cops lost starting in the 1960's.
I already gave you two examples of off duty cops, who are no different from CCW's as they are "Not responding" they are there when crap happens and react.
My google-fu is lacking, but there was a dog mauling where a ccw carrier used his mouse gun to little effect.
Bob
Ahh, and the light comes on.
I am totally in agreement with you. Since I have retired, I find myself just carrying one extra mag for the Glock most times during the summer. My winter carry is in a Galco shoulder rig, so 2 extra mags is easy. If my main was a wheel gun, then 2 reloads minimum. I get your point, and, I agree that in the civilian SD encounter what you have in the gun will usually decide who has won and who has lost. I am not a betting man so I plan for the a typical situation.
My luck I would have a 5 shot and no extra ammo and encounter Mumbai.
Lost River
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I carry a S&W M&P .40 plus 2 spare mags. This is an issued gun. Not my choice.
I carry concealed 95% of the times, by my choice (I don't like to advertise that I am a law enforcement officer).
By choice I back this up with a personally owned J frame S&W 442.
In my unmarked car I have an AR with a bunch of mags.
Off duty I usually roll with just my Glock 19 and one spare mag on my person, with extras in each vehicle.
I carry concealed 95% of the times, by my choice (I don't like to advertise that I am a law enforcement officer).
By choice I back this up with a personally owned J frame S&W 442.
In my unmarked car I have an AR with a bunch of mags.
Off duty I usually roll with just my Glock 19 and one spare mag on my person, with extras in each vehicle.
Steve, re: capacity vs training -
I've been shooting since my early teens (earlier, if you count air rifles). I'm in my 40s.
Between active and reserve time, I had to qualify on the S&W M15 .38, M1911, M9, M11, M16, M4, and Remington 870. I've had fam-fires with the M2HB, M240G, M249, and Mk19.
On my own time, I shoot a lot. At least 1,000 rounds a month in practice, not counting 2x IDPA sessions per month. I've trained with Massad Ayoob for a week-long course (highly recommend Mas, and Marty Hayes, and Kathy Jackson - good people to shoot with and learn from).
I'm an NRA certified Basic Pistol instructor.
I work as a defense contractor. Have to qualify annually with sidearm and rifle. Three years running, 40/40 with pistol, and 38/40 or 40/40 with rifle.
(Edit: I also spend several hours a week at the gym and/or dojo; defensive training isn't only about firearms.)
I don't view capacity as a substitute for training. I view capacity as being much better than low capacity - assuming it is reasonably achievable.
As mentioned before, I find that a double magazine pouch makes a very nice weight and bulk offset for a concealed pistol. Adds capacity, reduces back strain (via balancing effect). I find one or two magazines (or speed strips) in weakside pocket nicely balance a pocket pistol.
There are very limited circumstances where I could carry a concealed handgun, but not be able to carry spare ammo.
I've been shooting since my early teens (earlier, if you count air rifles). I'm in my 40s.
Between active and reserve time, I had to qualify on the S&W M15 .38, M1911, M9, M11, M16, M4, and Remington 870. I've had fam-fires with the M2HB, M240G, M249, and Mk19.
On my own time, I shoot a lot. At least 1,000 rounds a month in practice, not counting 2x IDPA sessions per month. I've trained with Massad Ayoob for a week-long course (highly recommend Mas, and Marty Hayes, and Kathy Jackson - good people to shoot with and learn from).
I'm an NRA certified Basic Pistol instructor.
I work as a defense contractor. Have to qualify annually with sidearm and rifle. Three years running, 40/40 with pistol, and 38/40 or 40/40 with rifle.
(Edit: I also spend several hours a week at the gym and/or dojo; defensive training isn't only about firearms.)
I don't view capacity as a substitute for training. I view capacity as being much better than low capacity - assuming it is reasonably achievable.
As mentioned before, I find that a double magazine pouch makes a very nice weight and bulk offset for a concealed pistol. Adds capacity, reduces back strain (via balancing effect). I find one or two magazines (or speed strips) in weakside pocket nicely balance a pocket pistol.
There are very limited circumstances where I could carry a concealed handgun, but not be able to carry spare ammo.
More thoughts on the LEO vs CCW concept:
A lot of people like to make this distinction, in part because LEOs are expected to arrest a suspect, whereas CCWs are expected to stop an attack - and theoretically use a retreat option where the LEO is expected to resolve the situation in a more forceful manner.
However... what if the CCW can't run? (Physical handicap; nowhere to go; presence of loved ones who can't run; deadly threat to innocents; attacker with personal vendetta who won't back off; attacker who feels cornered and escalates his violence - all are possible instances where shooting a round or two, then leaving, may simply not work.)
What if a hit or two don't instantly deter the attacker? See the Jared Reston case in Jacksonville (granted, a cop) for an example of a single attacker absorbing 7 hits from a service pistol before ceasing the attack. (Actually, the officer, Reston, took 5 hits from a .45acp himself in that fight.)
It isn't my job to make arrests, no. But the odds are I won't be the one creating the conflict, so it's not a safe bet for me to decide in advance how the threat will react.
A lot of people like to make this distinction, in part because LEOs are expected to arrest a suspect, whereas CCWs are expected to stop an attack - and theoretically use a retreat option where the LEO is expected to resolve the situation in a more forceful manner.
However... what if the CCW can't run? (Physical handicap; nowhere to go; presence of loved ones who can't run; deadly threat to innocents; attacker with personal vendetta who won't back off; attacker who feels cornered and escalates his violence - all are possible instances where shooting a round or two, then leaving, may simply not work.)
What if a hit or two don't instantly deter the attacker? See the Jared Reston case in Jacksonville (granted, a cop) for an example of a single attacker absorbing 7 hits from a service pistol before ceasing the attack. (Actually, the officer, Reston, took 5 hits from a .45acp himself in that fight.)
It isn't my job to make arrests, no. But the odds are I won't be the one creating the conflict, so it's not a safe bet for me to decide in advance how the threat will react.
youngunz4life
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answer to OP
7 rounds if I carry my 38 derringer as a backup
10 rounds when carry the speedloader
7 rounds if I carry my 38 derringer as a backup
10 rounds when carry the speedloader
youngunz4life
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I would like to add....
as far as the 'enough ammo' argument, debate, and/or preferences:
I have always had two revolvers at the ready for HD. We have a shotgun too, but like if up watching tv downstairs in the wee hours in the morning there are 11 shots(6 shot and 5 shot loaded revolvers). I guess I just always figured IF there was some sort of home invasion I might need more than 5shots....not in a civilian SD situation though. Even so I do sometimes carry the NY reload via my saturday night special derringer. I wonder how many people would be prepared on the street yet would have the awful realization that their hadngun was upstairs if all heck broke loose one night while being downstairs. I am sure many would be ready, but I am guessing some others wouldn't be.
I also don't go on vacation or a trip with the family without at least two revolvers.
as far as the 'enough ammo' argument, debate, and/or preferences:
I have always had two revolvers at the ready for HD. We have a shotgun too, but like if up watching tv downstairs in the wee hours in the morning there are 11 shots(6 shot and 5 shot loaded revolvers). I guess I just always figured IF there was some sort of home invasion I might need more than 5shots....not in a civilian SD situation though. Even so I do sometimes carry the NY reload via my saturday night special derringer. I wonder how many people would be prepared on the street yet would have the awful realization that their hadngun was upstairs if all heck broke loose one night while being downstairs. I am sure many would be ready, but I am guessing some others wouldn't be.
I also don't go on vacation or a trip with the family without at least two revolvers.
10Ringmagic
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Seeing as how it is summer, I have been carrying my five shot S&W J frame on my belt, and a compact .380 in my left front pocket for a total of 12 rounds.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Nanuk - just a correction.
Trolley Square was the incident where the off duty officer was handicapped by no extra mag.
You are thinking about Tacoma Mall - when the concealed carrier type, couldn't do the deed and was shot 4 times.
Trolley Square was the incident where the off duty officer was handicapped by no extra mag.
You are thinking about Tacoma Mall - when the concealed carrier type, couldn't do the deed and was shot 4 times.
How can anyone argue that having extra mags or more rounds is not a good thing? Still, it comes down to risk versus inconvenience. On my daily commute to the office, it's most often a semi-auto with a single mag because I'll normally just walk 30 feet to my office door and back. When I go to a rougher section of town, it's multiple mags and/or multiple guns because of a higher risk.
rha600, the most common problems with semi-autos in general revolve around magazines; stoppage clearing drills routinely end up involving dropping the magazine that is in the gun at the time of the stoppage.
Hence, even with 15+1 with your one magazine, you may have only the +1 if that magazine spring decides to go bad on you.
This is one of the main reasons that most trainers recommend at least one spare magazine.
Hence, even with 15+1 with your one magazine, you may have only the +1 if that magazine spring decides to go bad on you.
This is one of the main reasons that most trainers recommend at least one spare magazine.
how much ammo
I carry a full magazine in my carry pistol, and 2 more mags on my person.
IF I run in to a bad situation, I have one mag to keep the bad guys head down while I get to some cover, a second magazine to put up a spirited defense, and the third one to get me back to my truck to get my rifle.
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I carry a full magazine in my carry pistol, and 2 more mags on my person.
IF I run in to a bad situation, I have one mag to keep the bad guys head down while I get to some cover, a second magazine to put up a spirited defense, and the third one to get me back to my truck to get my rifle.
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Glenn,
Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the CCW'r got shot at Trolly Sq, I knew about the LEO with only 1 mag....... I guess I got confused - again.....
Think of it like a car battery, do you want just enough to start the car if everything goes right, or do you want to have some in reserve.
It almost looks like we have 2 polarized camps:
1) Carries plenty of extra ammo because they understand what can and does happen.
2) Carries only what is in the gun based on the assumption that they statistically do not need any more.
Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the CCW'r got shot at Trolly Sq, I knew about the LEO with only 1 mag....... I guess I got confused - again.....
Think of it like a car battery, do you want just enough to start the car if everything goes right, or do you want to have some in reserve.
It almost looks like we have 2 polarized camps:
1) Carries plenty of extra ammo because they understand what can and does happen.
2) Carries only what is in the gun based on the assumption that they statistically do not need any more.