Home defense, .357 vs. 12 gauge?

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^^^ CORRECT IMHO

Think about it folks - If the projectile can "knock down" a human target, wouldn't it also "knock down" the shooter who is even closer to the creation of that energy at the instant the gun powder is ignited by the primer and receives that energy immediately in the shoulder (or hands)? I don't dispute the fact that humans have fallen (and more will fall) immediately upon being shot much like game animals may fall immediately (or run many yards before they fall and die.)
 
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psalm7 said:
See the video of the thug getting hit with the bean bag when he pushed the cop during the riots ?
Destroy enough flesh and the person is going down just because there is nothing there to suport them .
Dead is going down as well . Its not about force its the inability to stand anymore . Head shot dead drops like a bag of feed . Yes theo a firearm will put a person down in thier tracks , on the spot , like a bag of feed .
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OK, I agree with that, but you just changed your argument: You claimed that a shotgun blast will knock someone down, which isn't true. But yes, it can cause someone to react by dropping instantly to the ground. But those are two different things.
 
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At normal household maximum ranges, about 15-20' in my home, a center mass hit with a 12 guage blast of #4-#6 shot, and the guy is going down, and is likely out of the fight without a 2nd blast. You can call it what you want, you can splice words to define it, but he's done.
 
There are many accounts in Military and Police shootings where the shooter and witness's tale about the target spun and wemt down or his legs buckeled and they went down some times they do the chicken dance and other times they just do the bag of crap splat to the ground and dont move either way these were knocked down . A .308 Win can hit with over 2665 ft lbs , with a fmj the perp may not be knocked down but with any hunting bullet designed to transfer the energy to the target it will most likly put them on the ground . The last deer I shot was hit in the neck and flipped feet into the air and fell dieing .
For someone to make a blanket statement and say being hit with a firearm can not knock someone down is as someone mentioned above is "a fol plain and simple" .
 
Myth buster gets it wrong some times like when they said that Hathcocks story of killing the Cobra Sniper could not have happened , The Military channel corrected them .
 
Can we cut the crap. The physics is clear that rifle and handgun rounds do not have the energy to knock someone down.

The effects are due NOT to the energy of the round but by what system it disrupts - being a support bone that topples you, a nervous system shut down, being off balance and stumbling when surprised by the hit, ... or a psychological startle.

If you continue to say that the energy itself picks you up and throws you down - you don't know what you are talking about.
 
A golf ball or soft ball being hit and even a inflated volley ball being spiked cannot knock someone down ? I would say that all of thoes have happened . Being knocked down is to be pushed off balance and to the ground . Im not the one that started debating that someone could or couldnot be knocked down , I mentioned a event I witnessed where someone was struck by shot that was well out of the leathal range but was still knocked down . Some one else wanted to start the word play .
 
Im the only one that has posted any facts when it comes to a fast moving projectile can knock someone down . With the thug being hit with the bean bag , a deer being shot and flipped over , people being hit with other small fast moving items and have been knocked down . I never said everyone that gets shot by a fierarm will be knocked down . It seems others are saying no one shot by a firearm will be knocked down and none have giving facts nor can they give facts to prove it . There have been lots of indaviduals shot since the invention of the firearm and I asure you many of them were knocked down .
 
Hang a heavy bag (70-80# punching bag) and shoot it with your fav handgun. It wont even move, much less get the kind of swing that would indicate being "knocked down".

To say that a SINGLE birdshot pellet "knocked" him down is foolish. Im sure he fell, but that was his body reaction to the hit. NOT the physics of the strike.

Another person standing at the same spot, hit the same way, might just reach up and touch the welt, not moving at all.

People being flung to the ground by smallarms impacts are not reality.
 
We have wandered off into discussing what someone means by knocked down. Obviously the common meaning is being altered by some.

Thus, closed.
 
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