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Is your handgun a Rolex or a Timex?

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In addition all of this worship of mechanical precession and fine machine work is kind of misplaced as the Rolex movement is only a piece of high artwork if you consider a mass produced, durable mechanical movement an example of the art. It is a great movement don’t get me wrong but it is the Chevy 350 of the watch world --- hard to kill, easy to re-build and can be made to do many things well. Still not as durable as many non-mechanical movements.
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I am content with Walt Odets' take on the Explorer Ref. 14270. My favorite Rolex is a Tiffany-signed Explorer Ref. 1016 with a hack movement.
Get to know some higher end movements if you really want to look at horologic “art”.
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I really don't want to look at horologic “art” for the purpose of this exercise. There are shotguns made on par with a Patek Philippe. Handguns, not so much.
 
They're fricken' pistols. :p
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This sentiment would be better borne out by the early modern Silesian spelling, pisschulle, as per the recently revised OED entry with "whistle, pipe, flute" in its definientia.
 
This sentiment would be better borne out by the early modern Silesian spelling, pisschulle, as per the recently revised OED entry with "whistle, pipe, flute" in its definientia.
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Now who says ya cant learn something from a gun Board :)

WildladyfrombristolAlaska TM
 
I'm still waiting to hear how starszy kapral Kielminski, piano tuner's son from Pomerania, magically became ennobled upon issuance of his heater and horsie.
 
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JohnKsa: Thanks for that link to the thread at THR. Now THAT was a discussion. Hope that everyone interested takes a look and a long read.

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They're fricken' pistols.
Even your revolvers?
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All revolvers are pistols. Not all pistols are revolvers.

I wear an old Doxa automatic, a Seiko AGS that I bought in the early 1990's, and a Falcon Airman. Not all at the same time. I carry a Russian made Makarov - where does that fit?
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Titanium is NOT stronger nor is it tougher than steel !!!!!!!!!!

Titanium would make a horrible nail. It would be the same as an aluminum nail. There is exactly one arena where titanium excels over steel, strength-to-weight-ratio.

Steels can be made about 2 times the strength of titanium.

All the hoopla about cast vs forged steel is basically marketing. There is a slight penalty for cast materials over forged materials (if everything else is equal), but this can easily be negated by a good design, quality manufacturing and optimized heat treatment.
 
Personally, I always prefer forged over cast. How do you really know if the cast part was made right or is stronger than the forged part? You don't. But, if you know that the frame/receiver/slide, etc. are all forged, at least you know what you've got.

That having been said, it's not that easy to just find all forged guns anymore....but I still prefer forging over investment cast.
 
I'm still waiting to hear how starszy kapral Kielminski, piano tuner's son from Pomerania, magically became ennobled upon issuance of his heater and horsie.
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Look into the Polish practice of nobilitacja, ennoblement for services to the state.
 
In general high end watches, Rolex, Patek, etc. are worn more for their function as jewelery then as timepieces. I do not know first hand about their timekeeping abilities. I also don't particularly care.
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In other words, your ignorance of their timekeeping abilities affords you a special insight into the motives of their users.
 
In general high end watches, Rolex, Patek, etc. are worn more for their function as jewelery then as timepieces. I do not know first hand about their timekeeping abilities. I also don't particularly care.
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And you are wrong. While many high end timepieces, particularly the highly decorated ones are in fact worn as jewelery, the "lower end" Omegas, Rolexes, Breitlings are gnerally worn by folks who want something that not only looks good, but is meticulously crafted as well as being sturdy and bargain priced in comparison to their lifespan and residual value. I've worn one for 25 plus years, during that time period my Dad probably went through 5 Seikos

A stainless steel Rolex Oyster cost approximately $500 25 years ago. An excellent condition one of that vintage brings $2500 today.

SIG 210? I dont know what one cost back in 1981, but Im sure that its less than what its worth today.

Compare plastic gun values.

WildnowdoyouunderstandlarvatusspointAlaska ™
 
In general high end watches, Rolex, Patek, etc. are worn more for their function as jewelery then as timepieces. I do not know first hand about their timekeeping abilities. I also don't particularly care.
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And you are wrong. While many high end timepieces, particularly the highly decorated ones are in fact worn as jewelery, the "lower end" Omegas, Rolexes, Breitlings are gnerally worn by folks who want something that not only looks good, but is meticulously crafted as well as being sturdy and bargain priced in comparison to their lifespan and residual value. I've worn one for 25 plus years, during that time period my Dad probably went through 5 Seikos
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In fairness, I have paid enough in Rolex service fees over that time span, to buy a dozen Seikos.
A stainless steel Rolex Oyster cost approximately $500 25 years ago. An excellent condition one of that vintage brings $2500 today.
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I wouldn't sell my 1983 Tiffany-signed Explorer I Ref. 1016 for less than I'd have to spend on a nice Patek Philippe. Like many others in their tax bracket, Hans Wilsdorf's heirs have been hard at work cutting their costs in order to invest their earnings with Bernie Madoff. In fairness, they seem to have raised their standards since having their clocks cleaned by Walt Odets.

SIG 210? I dont know what one cost back in 1981, but Im sure that its less than what its worth today.
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Not if you go by the Swiss price lists reproduced by Armbruster. U.S. market values of foreign arms have always depended on legislative whimsy and importers' greed. In 1981 Mandall Shooting Supplies and Benet Arms pushed their SIG P210 prices well into four figures. Adjusted for inflation, their values dropped significantly since then. Top of the line Neuhausen pistols routinely sell at Swiss auctions for a fraction of their original cost thirty years ago.
 
I do not wear a watch; however, I do have a Tissot on loan to a family member; this watch dating back in Wildalaska's timeline. And did at one point had a Goofy watch that ran backwards; literary a Goofy watch.

My guns on the other hand are kept in a safe, and do not gather dust, as I wear/use them.

All of my guns over the years have all served the purpose for which they were intended: industrial strength hole punches. Most "Tissot" range, regardless they all have performed as advertised.
 
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Incidentally, my handguns are neither Rolexes nor Timexes nor Voodoo Dolls nor Avatars of my Self-Image: They're fricken' pistols.
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What Tamara said. In spades. :-) I collect works of art and love stuff that sparkles, but the guns I own are tools intended for self defense, not jewelry or objects of art. No rolexes *or* timexes here. ;-)
 
The Rolex is from 1961, Walther is ten years younger. Wear the watch every day, keeps prefect time. While I do have better every day carry pieces the Walther is still my favorite.


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