H&K Jamming Problem

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I had a HK P30 that loved to spit brass into my chest. It ejected everything, just rearward at 6 o'clock. This was with Winchester NATO, Fiocchi 124 gr, and American Eagle 147 gr. Now it never jammed but it was annoying. I had run about 600 RDS of such ammo at this time. On calling HK they assured me that I obviously was running weak ammo. When I let them know what I was shooting they changed their tune and declared that I was limpwristing. Flat out on the phone. When I informed them that I had and do own USP Compacts, P2000s, all in 9mm and had been able to run those out of the box with 115 gr Federal Champion with no issues ever they declared that the recoil systems were different. The P2000/P30 come with the same manual and have the same disassembly (admittedly the recoil springs are different). When I asked about that I was told that I had been told what to do and the person on the phone stopped talking and waited for me to hang up, before which he said goodbye. Never at any point did they offer to take the gun in. This was I think 18-24 months ago. At the time I was doing about 8000 RDS of 9mm a year almost all with HKs. I finally broke it in by racking the slide about 200 times a day and leaving it locked back for a week (we have countless threads about how locking a slide back doesn't wear in springs, all I know is my experience). About a year later I bought another P30. I broke it in with 115 gr ammo no problem and it ran like a Swiss watch from day 1. I neither changed my shooting style nor exercise regimen during that time.

My point? I own mostly German cars. I am often told a certain bug or oddity is a "feature" and if I disagree then I am told I must not be using the car properly (luckily I now know the main service writer so well that he listens when I say there is a problem and takes me seriously). My dad has owned dozens of cars in his lifetime (family of long distance commuters). He says that if you tell a Japanese automaker they have an issue they apologize and fix it when possible. If you tell an American automaker they listen politely but mostly ignore you. If you tell a German automaker they become angry and ask you why you insist on misusing their car. This attitude is, to me, prevalent in my experience with HK. I don't think the OP is lying and I know what it is like to be called the crazy guy because "something like this doesn't happen".
 
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I reached HK CS, called at around 10 15, they sent me a shipping label but did advise that it might take a little longer due to holiday.
 
Thanks for the update, Gahaha! Please be sure to update us with your results! I suspect it will be pretty smooth sailing. Good luck!
 
When you get it up and running okay please post what the trouble was- we're all on a continuous learning curve. :cool:
 
Why is everyone assuming the OP is not an experienced, or at least practiced shooter?

Because the HK fanbois who spent a lot of money on their cherished pistols can't comprehend the fact that, like all other man-made devices, HK pistols can malfunction from time to time.
 
Because the HK fanbois who spent a lot of money on their cherished pistols can't comprehend the fact that, like all other man-made devices, HK pistols can malfunction from time to time.
Lol. The same is true for just about any fan boy. I remember and I am sure you do too that the old limpwristing remark flew like crazy with the Gen 4 Glocks. I like HK products myself I just try and be realistic about mechanical devices.
 
Fishbed77 said:
Because the HK fanboys who spent a lot of money on their cherished pistols can't comprehend the fact that, like all other man-made devices, HK pistols can malfunction from time to time.

I still remember the howls from the HK bunch from 30 years ago when HK was the only one to fail the Army's 1984 reliability tests. Seems that they've been whining ever since then!

http://olive-drab.com/archive/NSIAD-86-122_9mm.pdf

Pg 34:

Thus for the 1984 test, the reliability goal was revised to require superiority to the control weapons, which were to be put through the same serves of tests. Only H&K, whose reliability was 4 points less than the control weapon, did not meet this revised requirement. Unlike the differing conclusions with respect to service life, there was unanimity among test officials, systems analysts, and evaluators that H&K had failed the reliability requirement.
 
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Why is everyone assuming the OP is not an experienced, or at least practiced shooter?
Because operator error is one of the most common causes of jams in semiautos, and HK rarely has any problems

Experience doesn't show on the intermet
 
HK certainly can make the occasional dud, but saying it literally stovepipes or fails to feed every other shot certainly makes me raise my eyebrows. Not saying it can't happen, and I'm definitely no HK fanboy.
 
Because operator error is one of the most common causes of jams in semiautos, and HK rarely has any problems

Experience doesn't show on the intermet

I guess quoting the OP wasn't good enough. The OP stated he/she has THOUSANDS of rounds through his other two guns. Now to some that is not a lot, but it should at least indicate that he/she is familiar with how to shoot and/or hold guns.

Further since one is an XD, another polymer frame pistol of the same caliber, one could also infer that he/she has at least an idea as to how not to limp wrist.

At least that was how I read the OP.

That said, I'm glad the OP had a good initial conversation with HK, and hopefully a solution is in the mix.

The OP reeks of being a rank amateur when it comes to firearms. Always blaming the firearm for being the problem. Even one with an impeccable reputation for reliability (HK). The problem is most likely operator error. Either by improper shooting technique and/or using crappy ammo.

This post reeks of being a HK fanboi, and is both insulting and rude. Well done.
 
There are always some who say 'limp wristing ' doesn't exist . I tried once to limpwrist with just trigger finger and thumb -it didn't happen ! I do know that some guns require more resistance to firing than others.Without the resistance the gun won't operate !
I've faced the " logic" of the "I never heard of it so it doesn't exist " people .I'm an engineer with long experience solving those type of problems . Been shooting for many years ,been to gunsmithing school etc.
If I can't get a pistol to malfunction holding just with thumb and trigger finger I've been looking in the wrong places. The only thing I can think of is that some shooters are actually pulling back the gun as they fire !! A good possibility ,hard to see, feel.It would require sensitive equipment to prove it ! How else could you absorb the recoil so the gun wouldn't function ?? I've never heard this question asked ,I've asked this a couple of times but got no answer .
Do some thinking !!!:eek:
 
I have to say, I'm kind of surprised that so many people have experienced stovepipes on HK pistols as a result of limp-wristing. Again, I have only shot one HK pistol, a USP .40 compact that I've put about a thousand rounds through, but it's almost immune to operator error.

I mean not only have I limp-wristed it, but I've even given this gun to people with very little firearms experience to shoot and they have had 0 problems even in spite of visibly appearing to limp-wrist the gun.

I took a friend of mine shooting for her first time. After letting her get the hang of it with some light .38 special loads on my Arminius Titan she said she wanted to try the USP. She went through three magazines with no problems at all.

Are USP pistols really that prone to limp-wristing failures?
 
I have to say, I'm kind of surprised that so many people have experienced stovepipes on HK pistols as a result of limp-wristing. Again, I have only shot one HK pistol, a USP .40 compact that I've put about a thousand rounds through, but it's almost immune to operator error.

Are USP pistols really that prone to limp-wristing failures?

IMO no. What I believe HK has a tendency of doing on occasion is shipping pistols with recoil springs that are overly stiff and a result you see these malfunctions. The polymer HK uses is very rigid. The Military Arms Channel did a test on YouTube where he tried to get a Glock to have a limpwrist failure and did. Meanwhile the Springfield XD he used was unable to reproduce the same error. His conclusion, and I think I agree, is that the polymer Glock uses is more flexible than some and that exacerbates the issue. Now to be clear, in the video he only has enough contact with the grip to basically maintain safety. It's not something that should happen ordinarily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4

My wife is a small woman with tiny hands and not very strong wrists. I have seen her induce limpwrist malfunctions in Glocks. Despite rather poor technique she has never been able to do the same in any of my HKs. Limpwristing is sort of a catch all in terms of problem diagnosis, one I don't typically accept unless I witness it firsthand.
 
Add to my post --- people do strange things when shooting . Best example is to put a blank in a shooters gun without him knowing . Afraid of the recoil especially a magnum the shooter may push the gun forward as he pulls the trigger . That barrel may end up pointing 45* downward when he hits the blank !
 
the shooter may push the gun forward as he pulls the trigger

That's actually normal and not the same as a flinch. In order to shoot rapidly with good accuracy you have to control the gun. It can often be hard to tell the difference between the two, but there is a notable difference.
 
That's actually normal and not the same as a flinch. In order to shoot rapidly with good accuracy you have to control the gun. It can often be hard to tell the difference between the two, but there is a notable difference.

+1. The first time I had this explained to me it took a bit to process, but it does make sense. It boils down to very small differences in the timing of the movement.
 
Send it back to HK. They make top tier kit. Period. I don't know what their customer service is like, but their firearms are fantastic. You got a lemon.
 
I'm willing to bet anything it's the recoil spring. For some reason, some manufacturers like to throw the shock absorbers from a T-72 tank chassis into the recoil assembly, and it results in stovepipe jams and the occasional double-feed. All because of a $5 part.
 
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