Gun grease/lube question

"Now if I can find some more of the Teflon oil or grease I will go back to that."

Remington still, I believe, markets an oil with teflon in it.
 
If you want to use grease in your semi-auto pistol, Permatex makes a light, clear PTFE grease called "Ultra-Slick" and it's good stuff for year round use. I use it on the rails and lugs and FP-10 everywhere else.
 
Grease is really oil thickened with a kind of soap. Do you really want to put that on your shooter?
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To the extent it will stay in place and not run off it is better than oil for sliding surfaces.
 
We think of soap being connected with water, but it doesn't have to be, it's just a chemical and there are all sorts of different soaps.

Soap can be removed without using water.

Motor oils have "detergent" in them but it's just a description for being a suffricant to trap and remove carbon particles.
 
I used extreme pressure general purpose hi-temp grease to store a firearm long term. I buttered the gun with it, wrapped it in an oily cloth, put that in a tight fitting cardboard box, and put that in a gun case with some silicate packages. It stored that way for a while.

When I took the pistol out and took the grease off of it, I noticed the pistol had a different feel. I went over it again with a completely new cotton cloth and I didn't really get any more grease but the grease was on there - I could feel it.
 
Some light reading about hydocarbon solvents/cleaners/moisture displacers/lubricants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wd40#Formulation

http://www.hoppes.com/msds/Hoppes9/MSDS_Tri-Pac_No_ 9_Solvent-Liquid_Revision_1-3.pdf

http://www.hoppes.com/msds/1004_MSDS.pdf

http://www.hoppes.com/msds/Elite Product/M-Pro7GunOilMSDS.pdf


It’s the same stuff found in MOST commercial gun cleaners and lubes. Here is some more reading for you…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_spirits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoddard_solvent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil

Mineral Spirits ($14/gallon)
Kerosene ($11/ gallon)
WD40 ($16/ gallon)
Naptha ($30/gallon)
Mineral Oil ($15/ gallon)

Hoppe’s #9 Solvent ($128/ gallon)
M-pro7 Oil ($224/ gallon)
Hoppe’s Oil ($170/ gallon)
 
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Of your first four links, numbers two and four (the ones I'd really like to read) are both "thread cannot be found".

So whatever point you are trying to make is lost.
 
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There are only a few dozen different hydrocarbons in these various petro chemicals. You have carbon tet / carb cleaner on one end and grease on the other. In between you have kerosene, jet fuel, gasoline, heating oil, various lubricants like engine oils, gear oil etc...

Maybe the addition of Teflon was/is a significant thing, but basically there is not a whole lot of difference between the various gun oils and something like 3 in 1 or even some of the less viscous motor oils. For instance Mobil 1 has a lot of similarities with CLP Breakfree...
 
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I take a high impact grease and mix a bit of Mobil 1 to make it a bit softer and then put it in a big syringe - use tiny amounts - doubt I will ever have to mix more. Grease stays in place - it is all about the right amount and place.
 
These oil/grease threads border on the ridiculous. Generally speaking, all motor oils are approximately the "same" thing and perform "approximately" the same. The question is what is the range of same and approximately. Frankly, all substances with lubricating properties are going to work to some extent in non-full-auto firearms because those firearms do not really put any lubricant to task and push the limits of lubrication. The grease off my nose can probably sufficiently lube moving parts in a handgun for a while.

Espousing the idea that various lubricants are essentially equivalents merely because they share the same ingredients is somewhat silly. Just because your grandma made pasta gravy with tomato sauce, oregano, basil leaves, and garlic, doesn't mean that it is going to taste the same or have the same consistency as my grandma's using those same ingredients. They may both be edible and assist pasta to slide down your gullet, but the similarities may very well end there. These arguments vastly oversimplify the chemical engineering and formulation that goes into these products, particularly with regard to intended usage.

Furthermore, a number of these arguments have rather fallacious reasoning when it comes to retail pricing by, for instance, ignoring the power of economies of scale when it comes to material procurement, production, packaging, marketing, distribution, and so forth. The fallacious assumption is that CLP costs 10x Mobil 1, ergo I must be overpaying. That may, or may not, be true. You are certainly "overpaying" for gun lubricant if you use Mobil 1, because much of the cost in Mobil 1 comes from the additive package that is needed for automotive use. In other words, you are paying for "more" oil than you can make use of in a firearm application, or in other terms, Mobil 1 should be considerably cheaper if formulated for firearm use without all of the automotive requirements. Then again, such a formulated Mobil 1 might actually cost the consumer considerably more because the firearm lube market is considerably smaller.

Countzero, you could have just used cosmoline to store your firearm. It's not extreme pressure, (then again, why you would need EP grease for any handgun application is beyond me), but it's been used for decades and decades as a rust preventative for storing guns and naked metal surfaces (e.g. engine cylinder walls). After a time, the grease soaks into the surface of the material, hence the need for more "extreme" cleaning techniques on surplus firearms when you really want all of the grease off.

Heck, if you really like automotive products and carbon removal, then you should be using tranny fluid like Dexron III. It will keep your gun much cleaner than motor oil, and for long term storage, I guarantee you that no rust will present itself on any metal submerged in ATF.
 
Threads like this make my head spin!:eek:

I start reading them looking for some new insight to a product or two and end up with more possibilities when I'm done than when I started.

I think I'm going to give up and just buy a quart of Mobil1 that will last me most of the rest of my life!:D
 
One drop ! One drop of OIL! I repeat - OIL !

The only mention of grease in the Glock manual is in a negative context - on page 38 under the heading "DO NOT OVER-LUBRICATE"
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Did they consult with God to get that commandment? Or, did the person writing the manual (and English major), decide that on his own, consult with one of the employees working for Glock and with what "credentials". We do not know how they came up with that recommendation. Unless a person has some stated credentials as proper use of lubricants, even the manuals are suspect and nothing more than an appeal to authority.
Perhaps such threads should focus on examples of where the "wrong" lubricant has harmed/damaged, inhibited the function of some firearm.
 
This is a zombie topic.

It pops up on all the forums and goes away and then comes back again.



Unless a person has some stated credentials as proper use of lubricants, even the manuals are suspect and nothing more than an appeal to authority.
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Look, these are the guys who created the firearm. Who can be more of an authority on the proper care and maintenance of a firearm than the engineers who designed and built it?

Are you saying that no one except a scientist from DuPont can say what type of substance should be used in any particular firearm?
 
Cosmoline

I highly recomend Cosmoline for long term storage, I wasn't planning on storing the thing that long though - maybe a year.

I've also seen the videos on Cosmoline removal. When I did take my greased pistol out of storage it was fine, rust-free and easy to clean up.

My TEC-9M is still covered with grease. I'm thinking I may take it out and fire it sometime this year... If I thought I was just going to store it indefinately I'd definately dunk it in Cosmoline.
 
This is not intended to be a dumb question but... I am simply uneducated on the merits of using grease over oil....
Has a handgun rail/slide ever worn out due to using standard gun oil?

I have a couple of semi-autos with lots of rounds through them and all I use is normal remoil from walmart.

Like I said, I have never used grease, I clean my guns and then lightly oil them and they have never given me problems, so I would appreciate it if someone would explain to me experiences they have had where this ISN'T the case. Thanks.
 
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