Guess Old Devil Bush was RIGHT......

"But the Bushniks will always pull a re-write to suit the "facts".
And the Kerry supporters such as yourself will still be wetting their knickers about something-if not, they'll hire another weirdo to send false documents to the major news networks or some such.

either that, or try to play cutesy word games, as in "democracy" We have one, in a form of a democratic republic, but it is not the only form-there is also direct vote of the people, another long lived form of democracy.

Mainly, just continue to whine. Can't live with the choices? Run for office and show us what you have to offer. Who knows-you might even have an original idea instead of poking fun at everyone elses.
 
He won't, that's why he'll win. He'll want a "reduced presence" of soldiers by the end of the year to make it look convincing though. ;)
 
The point I was trying to make, is that you are going to piss & moan no
matter what, if things don't go your way. You remind me of a petulant child,
who would pout, take thier ball, and go home. Sorry if my little joke went
over your head, I'll readjust next time to cover your IQ and aim lower.....

And as far as the reasons we went to iraq, your type wouldn't believe the
reason, NO MATTER WHAT WAS SAID, if it came from Bush. I mean, does
the reason really matter NOW!? Wonder why, if the reason was SO UNJUST,
did Kerry and others vote for and agree to go to war? Guess they were
fooled by good 'ol boy Bush huh? Man, if that were the case, and they were
STUPID enough to be fooled by an 'ignorant hick cowboy', why the HELL
would I want THEM to lead me?

Grow up man.
 
This isn't about "moaning"; this is about a group of habitual liars, whose goal is power - absolute power - and they do not give a dam how they get there or who they step on on the way.

Let's recap on some of their past performances ....

Like "Nayirah" - George Herbert Walker Bush's lying whore - who, sobbing, testified before Congress and lied.

"I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."

The arranged performance of G H W Bush's former Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Craig Fuller and his PR firm Hill & Knowlton for a cool $11 million.

Nayirah - the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador, Sheik Yo'money Saud Nasir Al-Sabah. The lies repeated by G H W Bush repeated and never retracted.

Liars lie, and so do their supporting circles.

The media? All smiles. And they had no trouble propagating the illusion that half of Baghdad was on the streets "celebrating" when our troops rolled into the city, and when Saddam's statue was pulled down in the square. Mr. Chalabi, Tony Blair's Best Boy organized the "thronging crowds" and "victory signs" during that cherade.

"Crowds cheer as a statue of Saddam Hussein falls"
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqis danced and waved the country's pre-1991 flag in central Baghdad's Firdos Square after a U.S. Marine armored recovery vehicle helped topple the square's huge statue of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein"
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/04/09/sprj.irq.statue/story.statue.down.jpg

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- CNN correspondent Martin Savidge is no longer embedded with 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, and is moving about Baghdad. Thursday morning, he spoke to CNN anchor Carol Costello about the scene in the Iraqi capital.
SAVIDGE: We're standing right in the heart of downtown Baghdad where you saw that very dramatic scene yesterday when the statue came down of Saddam Hussein."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/10/otsc.irq.savidge/index.html

"In Baghdad, the moment of highest drama Wednesday came when U.S. Marines helped Iraqi civilians topple a massive statue of Saddam in Firdos Square in the heart of the Iraqi capital. The Iraqis then danced on the dethroned image and dismembered it"
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/09/sprj.irq.war.main/index.html
 

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So what your saying is, that the entire world, including the democratic, and
liberal left, were 'duped' by a 15 year old girl? As governmental leaders they
weren't smart enough to question the story or check the facts THEN, 10
years ago, before going to WAR!? They AGREED to go to WAR based on the
ramblings of a 15 year old girl!? No matter wether or not I agree with liberal
ideals, I don't think they are stupid or nieve (sp?) enough to commit to WAR
simply because of the questionable testimony of a little girl, without FACT
CHECKING.

They seemed to do enough fact checking AFTER the fact, enough to figure
out she was lying, so they could cry they were fooled and win back the
support of their liberal base after public opinion shifted again.

And besides THAT, if they BELIEVED 10 years ago that the Bush admin lied,
and tricked them into going to war, and had PROOF that he LIED just to get
their support, then why in the HELL would they be TWICE STUPID and
follow the same admin, into the same war, in the same place 10 years later?

Are your highly praised leaders stupid or what?

It seems to me, that no matter WHAT POLITICAL side you are on, it doesn't
really matter. There is more to it than you or I will ever know. But you
make everyone look bad, when you say Bush is ignorant, liar, ect. Yet he
was able to get a MAJORITY to back him. If he is truely THAT incompetent,
what does that say for the rest of the government including the liberal dems,
who followed him?

Its just odd that EVERYTHING that doesn't fit your little skewed view of things
is just 'lies and spin' from the evil old Bush war machine, and you are the
only one 'enlightened' enough to know the 'REAL TRUTH'. Scarey...
 
Derius T

I agree that the vote represents a great deal of vindication for the war in Iraq.

What I’m looking forward to is watching the song-and-dance and verbal gymnastics all the liberal naysayers who won’t admit they were wrong are now going to entertain us with. It might be hard to top “paid actors watched Saddam's statue fall,” though.

Grab some popcorn and your choice of beverage, the hilarity is starting.
 
Silver Bullet wrote:

What I’m looking forward to is watching the song-and-dance and verbal gymnastics all the liberal naysayers who won’t admit they were wrong are now going to entertain us with. It might be hard to top “paid actors watched Saddam's statue fall,” though.

Grab some popcorn and your choice of beverage, the hilarity is starting.
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Now you know, thats a plus in all this mess I never thought of! I get so
tired of hearing all the pissing & moaning that I forget to look for the humor.

You grab the snacks, an I'll grab the sodas! Lets see what their next little tantrum looks like.
 
It's extremely encouraging and heartening to see see those Iraqis so proud of doing that which many lazy Americans take for granted and don't do - voting. It damn near brings tears to my eyes. That they will have a democratic republic (hopefully not a sham or puppet) is a very good thing, provided it is more secular than theocratic. Still doesn't change the fact that it was, on balance, a war not in the *United States's* best interest. However, the altruistic/compassionate side in all of us (make that most of us) can take heart in their freedom. I love to see it, and I'm glad that *something* good came of the war. It wasn't in the best interests of OUR COUNTRY, IMO, and that's what we elect our politicians to do - look out for OUR best interest. However, it was in the best interest of the Iraqi people, and that positive note should be celebrated with this tremendous milestone, since we're already there, since we're not leaving till the "job is done" according to Shrub, Rice, et al, and since we've had a lot of our boys killed and maimed, and saddled our future generations with debt doing this. However, I think there were in fact some media naysayers who prophesied that the Iraqis don't want freedom and they won't vote, etc., who were shown to be wrong, so chalk one up for Shrub.
 
They AGREED to go to WAR based on the
ramblings of a 15 year old girl!?
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Maybe not... but the current admin put WAYYYY too much credence in the ramblings of a bunch of disgruntled Iraqi expatriots who lied through their teeth to say whatever it took to get Bush to invade. And the admin also took at face value a ton of disputed intel, and all sources of info had the same common denominator: if it supports war, it's credible.... if not, it gets ignored.

Yet he
was able to get a MAJORITY to back him.
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At last count, 58% of Americans say the war was NOT worth the cost. So, your "majority" has long since faded as the light of truth came on the scene.

YIf he is truely THAT incompetent,
what does that say for the rest of the government including the liberal dems,
who followed him?
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If you mean the congress who should have blocked Bush's ascension to full blown tyrant: it says exactly what I said about them before the war: they are cowards. Bush brought out the "anybody who doesn't support me is supporting Al Qaeda" stick and scared the democrats into folding up. They were cowards and they can't weasel out of it.
 
And as far as the reasons we went to iraq, your type wouldn't believe the reason, NO MATTER WHAT WAS SAID, if it came from Bush. I mean, does the reason really matter NOW!?
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Unless you can bring back the dead and re-attach limbs, yes it really does.
Actions like invading a country costs lives. Period.
 
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I admire Psycho's stance

And I will help him out, because I believe the same.

First thing I would like to point out.
If you get your news of the world from watching TV or reading headlines in the paper....you do not what is going on in the world. Try reading other countries papers to find out whats going on.

All the Bush supporters are cheering, yay 60% voter turnout. First of all, its 60% of all REGISTERED voter turnout. Do you know how people in Iraq get registered? By getting a ration card from the Oil for Food program.
Imagine if the only people who could vote in this country were the people on welfare?

So before you cheer saying 60% of people turned out, that is a false statement.

Also, if you dont know history you dont know anything. Things dont happen in a vacuum. If you dont take in consideration the history of Iraq or the history of America's role in other countries in the past then again, you cant cheer about this election.

For example. Vietnam war. We were suppposed to bring Democracy to them, and liberate them. We forced an election that had an 85% registered voter turnout out with death threat warnings from the Viet Cong. Does any of this sound eerily similar?????

Well, is Vietnam a thriving democracy? Did we "fix" them?

I would also like to point out, the bravery of the Iraqis who DID turn out have nothing to do with President Bush. If he had been at the polls making sure people were voting and risking his life, then Id be impressed.
 
BountyH :
At last count, 58% of Americans say the war was NOT worth the cost. So, your "majority" has long since faded as the light of truth came on the scene.
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It is NEVER cost effective to go to war. If one person dies, the cost was too high. That is something we agree on. But some things need to be done. We will have a better, more peaceful world without people like Sadam in it period. Yes people died. Members of my own family served, and I would have served in a second if I weren't already a disabled old soldier, because I believed the Iraqi people deserved to live in freedom. Their children deserved the same opportunities my children deserve. wether we got over there in the first place by hook or by crook doesn't really matter. What matters is we got the chance to give the next generation of iraqis peace and freedom. And for those that say we must stand morally straight, and carry the torch of freedom, what we did for the people of iraq was a great thing, no matter how it got accomplished, and they will remember it forever.


Croyance: See above. War always has costs. Is the freedom YOU ENJOY RIGHT THIS SECOND, worth the blood spilled to get it? If it weren't for the men and women that gave their lives for YOU, YOU wouldn't have freedom either. So I ask you again, is YOUR freedom worth the blood shed to preserve it? Would you shed YOUR blood to defend that freedom, or the freedom of YOUR children? They are just Iraqis so they don't count?
 
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No matter how Herr Kerry brainwashed you, what he said was a lie. Even if he had been elected and given an unlimited budget, he would not have miracled our troops back home.
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What are you talking about? :confused: Kerry wanted more soldiers!
 
Didn't know that, and I'm sorry to hear it. However, I think that's a little far from "wiping our a** with glow-in-the-dark nuclear toilet paper".
 
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