Got a H&K P7 PSP on the way
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To remind some of you - in the real world fast firing a pistol for 200 rounds - you have a whole lot bigger problem than a warm gun !! BTW with the P7 is hot or not depends on your hand size and how you hold the gun .
I found the slide hold open latch is much easier if you cut out a little bit of the plastic grip.
Carry a PSP , back it up with an M10 !
I found the slide hold open latch is much easier if you cut out a little bit of the plastic grip.
Carry a PSP , back it up with an M10 !
spacecoast
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Finally got out to the range with the P7, shooting my reloads. It was a 40-round slow fire fun match in which I was also shooting my new-to-me 4" Nickel Python, so I only put 20 rounds through it, but I REALLY like this gun. The squeeze cocking mechanism is intuitive and the gun throws the brass into a tight area about 15 feet to the right at about 4 o'clock. I need to drift the front sight a tiny bit to the left, but once I learned to aim "left edge" of the black I was able to feel confident about hitting a 6" circle (one handed) at 25 yards even after so few rounds.
Not bad for a small semi-auto with a 4" barrel.
Not bad for a small semi-auto with a 4" barrel.
FairWarning
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Congrats on shooting your P7, and welcome to the Club.
As an owner, I can tell you most P7 owners are in love with them, and for good reason. They are extremely accurate, reliable, safe, pointable and flat out cool. If this appeals to you and you like the feel of the gun, don't listen to hate.
I shoot mine better than any other combat semi-auto I've encountered to date (I've shot almost everything), and it tucks so easily into my IWB holster that I could almost forget I'm carrying it. Holding the squeeze cocker once engaged is cake and is a natural instinct. It's truly a great option for for personal protection.
Not perfect for sure, but they can do the things that count for the intent of the pistol very, very well. The consistently high resale values are not a coincidence.
As an owner, I can tell you most P7 owners are in love with them, and for good reason. They are extremely accurate, reliable, safe, pointable and flat out cool. If this appeals to you and you like the feel of the gun, don't listen to hate.
I shoot mine better than any other combat semi-auto I've encountered to date (I've shot almost everything), and it tucks so easily into my IWB holster that I could almost forget I'm carrying it. Holding the squeeze cocker once engaged is cake and is a natural instinct. It's truly a great option for for personal protection. Not perfect for sure, but they can do the things that count for the intent of the pistol very, very well. The consistently high resale values are not a coincidence.
Madcap_Magician
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I wish I hadn't sold mine, even though it was a very much C grade police import from the very last bunch about five years ago.
The value on them has skyrocketed since then. I paid $500 and sold it for $500, but three years after I bought it, $750 was not uncommon, and now $1,000 is not uncommon.
But at the time (and even mostly now), I can't really afford to carry a gun like that- it is heavy and low capacity.
But as a historical piece and as a cool piece of quality engineering and manufacturing, it's hard to match.
The value on them has skyrocketed since then. I paid $500 and sold it for $500, but three years after I bought it, $750 was not uncommon, and now $1,000 is not uncommon.
But at the time (and even mostly now), I can't really afford to carry a gun like that- it is heavy and low capacity.
But as a historical piece and as a cool piece of quality engineering and manufacturing, it's hard to match.
spacecoast
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Here's a picture of it with a Colt Model 1908 .380 Hammerless to show how compact the gun really is. The slide is shorter than the Colt, but the barrel over 1/3" (9.5mm) longer. Hopefully this picture also shows how close the barrel axis is to your hand, reducing felt recoil.
orionengnr
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I think that the premium price they command, plus the fact that every one that comes on the market sells...tends to belie that argument.
I've only owned six or seven so far. Two M10s (I'll agree that they are too big), one M13 (wish i still had it) and a 3-4 PSPs (or P7s, if you insist.)
larryh1108
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I was a proud owner of one of the nicest HK P7 I ever saw. I loved looking at it. I loved how accurate it was. I loved owning it. I even like the grip cocker. I also owned 4 mags with it so when I went to the range, I went to shoot it like I do all of my guns. It was a simple request, really, to be able to shoot it to enjoy it. Looking at it was nice but I own them to shoot them. Well, after the 2nd mag it was too hot by the trigger to hold it. I put on my shooting gloves. After the 3rd mag my hands were beet red and painful, even with the gloves on.
I did this exercise for about 1000 rounds. I'd go to the range to enjoy it and come home unhappy because it was too painful to shoot after 2 mags. Baloney on letting it cool down between mags. Yes, I agree, in a SD situation it would be wonderful but if I can't shoot it to enjoy it more than 2 mags at a time then looking at it just wasn't enough.
I sold it for top dollar because it was incredibly beautiful. I never regretted it and to this day I did enjoy looking at it for the 3 years I owned it but since I couldn't shoot it, it had to go to someone who wants it for their own reasons. I'm sure he is still in love with it but, to me, it's like being in love with that perfect and beautiful woman only to find out she was a dud in bed. Looks only works for so long. I can honestly say I owned one and it was not for me. It hurt that I couldn't enjoy it but some thing are just not meant to be.
I miss owning it but I don't regret selling it. Looking good in a safe does me no good since I am not a collector.
I did this exercise for about 1000 rounds. I'd go to the range to enjoy it and come home unhappy because it was too painful to shoot after 2 mags. Baloney on letting it cool down between mags. Yes, I agree, in a SD situation it would be wonderful but if I can't shoot it to enjoy it more than 2 mags at a time then looking at it just wasn't enough.
I sold it for top dollar because it was incredibly beautiful. I never regretted it and to this day I did enjoy looking at it for the 3 years I owned it but since I couldn't shoot it, it had to go to someone who wants it for their own reasons. I'm sure he is still in love with it but, to me, it's like being in love with that perfect and beautiful woman only to find out she was a dud in bed. Looks only works for so long. I can honestly say I owned one and it was not for me. It hurt that I couldn't enjoy it but some thing are just not meant to be.
I miss owning it but I don't regret selling it. Looking good in a safe does me no good since I am not a collector.
Hot after 2 mags? I've never heard anyone claim such a fast heat build up. 
I guess different folks have varying tolerances. I'd load up 8 mags at a time and be able to get through them without getting too uncomfortable. By the eighth mag the gun was hot, no doubt, but it never hurt.
I guess different folks have varying tolerances. I'd load up 8 mags at a time and be able to get through them without getting too uncomfortable. By the eighth mag the gun was hot, no doubt, but it never hurt.2 mags??? I have a M8 and M13 and after a box of 50 they can be a bit toasty but certainly not 2-4 mags. Hell I have heated up snubby revolvers pretty well too.
I am not discounting that they get hot, as they do and this is a detriment to long range sessions but just as some folks seem to inflate the positives making it the greatest gun of all time others seem to make it out as the most complicated gun ever that bursts into flames after 8 to 10 shots.
Like has been said. It's a wicked cool gun with an odd manual of arms that is uber reliable, very accurate, safe, stupid expensive, heavy, that does indeed get too hot after extended shooting. I love me some Teutonic staple guns but totally understand why somebody would not.
I am not discounting that they get hot, as they do and this is a detriment to long range sessions but just as some folks seem to inflate the positives making it the greatest gun of all time others seem to make it out as the most complicated gun ever that bursts into flames after 8 to 10 shots.
Like has been said. It's a wicked cool gun with an odd manual of arms that is uber reliable, very accurate, safe, stupid expensive, heavy, that does indeed get too hot after extended shooting. I love me some Teutonic staple guns but totally understand why somebody would not.
It takes 3 mags back to back before I notice mine getting warm, the 4th mag is uncomfortably warm and after the 5th I can't grip it properly with my off hand. I suppose my heat tolerance is pretty low, but I don't find a break after every two or three mags to ruin my range time. YMMV as they say.
larryh1108
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I know HK put in a heat shield of some kind. I wonder when they did it? I have high pain and heat tolerance and it broke my heart when this happened. I admit that I shot at about 1 second a round but that isn't excessive. I'd still own it if I could shoot it without frying my hand.
H&K P-7 series
The one who complains the loudest is the one who doesn't own one.
It is the fastest shooting combat gun made. It is used by Interpol,certain special units all over europe and here. It is a COMBAT weapon designed to shoot
perfectly each shot. The owner of each P7 will use the right spring in his or her gun depending on the load. EX;my M8, 8+1 my spring is for a 115 grain 9mm HP at 1475 fps. I almost never change spring unless I change load. I own a M13, 9 mm mag with 13 rounds, M10 is a heavy 40, my combat loads, depending on the situation Im going to, the smallest,a P7K3 in .380, The squeeze is adjustable, it holds at what you want. One jerk said to me, you didn't rack the gun. I said,listen as I squeezed he heard the click,Thats the firing pin being cocked
you almost don't know your carrying it. Even though it is a light caliber,if you use the most powerful load, in your perfect P7 it will
take care of you. I have used lead bullets thru it with a BH of 16-18 at 1350ish
no lead,like that character spoke of the piston clogged,he is BS I almost never
had a problem,I used a hard twig in the woods once or twice as a precaution.
The one who complains the loudest is the one who doesn't own one.
It is the fastest shooting combat gun made. It is used by Interpol,certain special units all over europe and here. It is a COMBAT weapon designed to shoot
perfectly each shot. The owner of each P7 will use the right spring in his or her gun depending on the load. EX;my M8, 8+1 my spring is for a 115 grain 9mm HP at 1475 fps. I almost never change spring unless I change load. I own a M13, 9 mm mag with 13 rounds, M10 is a heavy 40, my combat loads, depending on the situation Im going to, the smallest,a P7K3 in .380, The squeeze is adjustable, it holds at what you want. One jerk said to me, you didn't rack the gun. I said,listen as I squeezed he heard the click,Thats the firing pin being cocked
you almost don't know your carrying it. Even though it is a light caliber,if you use the most powerful load, in your perfect P7 it will
take care of you. I have used lead bullets thru it with a BH of 16-18 at 1350ish
no lead,like that character spoke of the piston clogged,he is BS I almost never
had a problem,I used a hard twig in the woods once or twice as a precaution.