This site seems to have some interesting state and national comparisons under the "crime rates" tab:
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/
friend gives me crap for carrying all the time...
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Sparks1957
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It stills sounds as if you're trying to justify carrying by finding the proper statistics to back your decision and persuade your "friend" that you're in the right.
Stop waffling: if you've made a decision to carry, just do it. To h**l with what other people think about it. It doesn't matter if the murder rate in your town is 0.000947% lower than the neighboring town's, if you ever need it you will have it with you.
Stop waffling: if you've made a decision to carry, just do it. To h**l with what other people think about it. It doesn't matter if the murder rate in your town is 0.000947% lower than the neighboring town's, if you ever need it you will have it with you.
Rifleman1776
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None of his bizness. And how does he know you are carrying?
Just carry concealed and don't talk about it.
Just carry concealed and don't talk about it.
As discussed, His friend knows because there are places they go where it is not legal to carry.
Regardless, if he really is your best friend them you should be able to talk it out... Or you should step up your game and give him equal or greater grief for not carrying because he likes to wear skinny-jeans
Regardless, if he really is your best friend them you should be able to talk it out... Or you should step up your game and give him equal or greater grief for not carrying because he likes to wear skinny-jeans
saltydog452
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A few of my friends used to jab me occassionally for premature baldness. Now that they are balding, the jabs have ceased.
Maybe its the same for being armed.
When I was young, I could run 'faster than a speeding locomotive' and 'leap tall building in a single bound'. There was no need to be armed constantly.
Now, if I have my pants on, I armed. Reality happens slowly sometimes.
salty
Maybe its the same for being armed.
When I was young, I could run 'faster than a speeding locomotive' and 'leap tall building in a single bound'. There was no need to be armed constantly.
Now, if I have my pants on, I armed. Reality happens slowly sometimes.
salty
Isn't that the truth!
A longtime, very close friend of mine that's an ex-professional boxer used to occasionally rag me for my cc habits. He and I grew up in the ring so I'm very aware of his hand-to-hand capabilities. Needless to say, he's a very rough individual.
He used to tell me he didn't need a gun for protection out on the street and didn't see why I would get my ccl or go through the aggravation of packing a pistol every day.
I used to explain to him that I'm not Superman, neither was he and although he could handle himself very well, he also bleeds like everyone else. The fact that he could handle himself, although could be helpful in some cases, really didn't matter when guns came into play. A 90lb. female crackhead with a gun could kill him no matter how well he could handle himself.
Don't know if it was his ego or what, but I could never get that through to him. Fortunately, he and his family have never been in a situation needing a firearm.
Twenty-five years later, he has come around to getting a firearm for his house but still refuses to get his ccl. He was proud as a peacock when he showed me his new HD shotgun. I looked at him,winked and said "Yea, neither one of us are what we used to be, eh".
Just glad he got something.
At any rate, being a very good friend and knowing we had very different views on the issue, instead of ragging each other on the topic, out of respect for our friendship, we don't discuss the issue anymore.
Upsets me he feels the way he does...upsets him the way I do.
Moral of the story...quit discussing it with your friend. Agree to disagree.
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Sorry if I came accross like it was a big deal, I was just simply curious if any of you guys have dealt with this as well. Just to make it clear, he has in NO way swayed my opinion or thoughts about carrying or even made me second guess it. Every time I see him I don't announce that I am carrying, the only time he knows is in situations I stated such as when I can't avoid it. I will continue to carry no matter what anyone thinks.
Erik,
In 40 years of driving, I've never needed a spare tire. But all my vehicles carry one. Why? Just in case. And that's also why you carry. Yeah, long odds, but when you have the need for a spare tire or a pistol, usually that need is urgent.
In small towns there is much less anonymity by which a resident or stranger can commit a crime and then "blend in" to the population. Usually that translates to fewer crimes and/or a higher arrest rate. Thus, you probably don't need to worry about too many robberies, gangs or assaults. But neither do you want to find yourself in the middle of a domestic dispute when Daryl D. Linebacker uses a bat to go after skinny little Freddy Fudpucker for messing with his girl. Nor find yourself in such a situation because it "slipped her mind" that she already had a boyfriend.
In 40 years of driving, I've never needed a spare tire. But all my vehicles carry one. Why? Just in case. And that's also why you carry. Yeah, long odds, but when you have the need for a spare tire or a pistol, usually that need is urgent.
In small towns there is much less anonymity by which a resident or stranger can commit a crime and then "blend in" to the population. Usually that translates to fewer crimes and/or a higher arrest rate. Thus, you probably don't need to worry about too many robberies, gangs or assaults. But neither do you want to find yourself in the middle of a domestic dispute when Daryl D. Linebacker uses a bat to go after skinny little Freddy Fudpucker for messing with his girl. Nor find yourself in such a situation because it "slipped her mind" that she already had a boyfriend.
I know 4 retired cops, two of whom were federal agents. In civilian life all choose not to carry. I know two cops who are a married couple; the wife complained if he carried off duy until doing so was a dept requirement. I know a female homicide cop who hates guns and would not carry on duty if she had a choice.
I can't explain these mindsets. Me--I don't tell it when carrying.
I can't explain these mindsets. Me--I don't tell it when carrying.
Hhmmm....Well, I realize in a small town, it's hard to keep everyone from knowing everyone's business--so maybe my post has no merit. However, I'm wondering if maybe this is what happens when one lets folks know that one is carrying a firearm?
It sounds like everyone knows the thread's initiator carries....I'm thinking that "concealed carry" might should mean something more than just a legal definition (i.e., "concealed" to the naked eye). Perhaps I'm a bit tilted here, but I'm thinking that there's a rationale for concealed carry (i.e., as opposed to open carry).
I don't think I'd ever admit to carrying a gun whether I did so or not, except in circumstances where it was legally necessary to do so. But since I'm seldom inclined to confirm or deny whether I own any firearms...maybe I'm just a bit more private than most.--Patrice
It sounds like everyone knows the thread's initiator carries....I'm thinking that "concealed carry" might should mean something more than just a legal definition (i.e., "concealed" to the naked eye). Perhaps I'm a bit tilted here, but I'm thinking that there's a rationale for concealed carry (i.e., as opposed to open carry).
I don't think I'd ever admit to carrying a gun whether I did so or not, except in circumstances where it was legally necessary to do so. But since I'm seldom inclined to confirm or deny whether I own any firearms...maybe I'm just a bit more private than most.--Patrice
Yeah, "everyone" knows if "everyone" means the OP's best friend, who only knows because sometimes when the OP and his best friend go out, they end up at places where the OP can't carry. OP shouldn't have told "everyone."
(Edit, to remove some degree of snark...)
Also, the OP and the best friend did their concealed carry training together...
Folks, please read threads before offering advice based solely on the title; at the very least, read the OP, and any follow-on inputs provided by the OP.
(Edit, to remove some degree of snark...)
Also, the OP and the best friend did their concealed carry training together...
Folks, please read threads before offering advice based solely on the title; at the very least, read the OP, and any follow-on inputs provided by the OP.
L_Killkenny
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I have nothing against someone carrying all the time but I also don't have an issue giving someone crap about it either so I'll take the side of the friend on this one. Just like I don't care if John Doe wants to get a tattoo on his face but that won't stop me from pointing and laughing.
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GrundhauserGunWorks
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I agree that you should be able to sit down with your buddy and discuss the issue with him. I am from a small town as well, but it is a place that has some serious issues happening there.
When I do out or into town, I carry my firearm. I hope that I never have to use it, but that sense of security is priceless to me.
When I do out or into town, I carry my firearm. I hope that I never have to use it, but that sense of security is priceless to me.
just kidding..MikeNice81
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That is similar to how I got my mother-in-law to stop bugging my wife. I went online and pulled up the sex offender registry. She was shocked how many lived in an area with only 10,000 people. She was even more shocked to know she lives 1.1 miles from a convicted rapist.
Now she doesn't ask any questions.
My circumstances are different, though a few people I know found out that I carried when visiting another state (California has CCW permits in name only, rarely issued). When they gave me that "Why do you carry a gun?" crap or asked what I was afraid of, my answers did get a bit snarky.
Why do you carry a gun (all the time)?
- Because carrying a cop gets tiring
- Because it gets all scratched up if I drag it behind me.
- To compensate for my inability to outrun some thug's bullets
What are you afraid of?
- Are you kidding? I'm carrying a gun, what do I have to be afraid of?
- I'm afraid of being the only guy with a ballpoint pen in a gunfight.
- Not much, but the gun is afraid of politicians and rust.
Kudos that you're still carrying. Let's just hope your friend doesn't spread the news around, unintentionally or not.
Why do you carry a gun (all the time)?
- Because carrying a cop gets tiring
- Because it gets all scratched up if I drag it behind me.
- To compensate for my inability to outrun some thug's bullets
What are you afraid of?
- Are you kidding? I'm carrying a gun, what do I have to be afraid of?
- I'm afraid of being the only guy with a ballpoint pen in a gunfight.
- Not much, but the gun is afraid of politicians and rust.
Kudos that you're still carrying. Let's just hope your friend doesn't spread the news around, unintentionally or not.
MLeake thanks for pointing that out AGAIN lol. One thing though, we didn't do any training together, sorry for that misunderstanding. When I applied for my permit I had to have 4 references sign it, and he was one of them, so he knew I was getting my permit. Then of course when I got my new and first gun I was excited and wanted to show it to him, being that he's a gun guy and also my best friend. Then again as stated when we're together and go get wings or stop at the casino or something and I have to leave my gun locked in his truck I CANT get around him knowing. The only people that know I carry are a very few close friends that I shoot with, my parents and my brother, that's it. Even they don't necessarily know when I AM or am NOT carrying, although I am always carrying. I don't walk around announcing it or anything.
"It's not the odds. It's the stakes."
If your friend is so overly concerned with what's on the inside of your clothes ...... mehbe y'all should get married ..... then he'll nag you incessantly about that and ever'thing else, and that will be normal.
Boundaries, man, BOUNDARIES.
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I think there are some cases where carrying a pistol at all times can go too far. I would never step foot in a church with a handgun. I was amazed to find there are people that do carry a gun in church, which I think is horribly wrong.
I also am wary about leaving a pistol unattended and not locked up for any length of time if children of any age are around, including teenagers, so I think there are many times when its appropriate to keep the handgun locked up, even if that means you dont have it on your person.
Ive personally never bothered getting a carry permit because I live in a rural area with low crime. I am of the belief way too many permits are being issued to too many people who shouldnt have one. I think the requirements should be a lot stricter and training more extensive, but If someone is mature has a squeaky clean background and an even temperment, I wouldnt judge them for carrying a lot.
Im just disturbed at some of the people Ive discovered had carry permits despite being known hotheads. Ive recently found out two people I know have carry permits despite the fact both have had histories of spousal abuse and child abuse. I can only assume they werent convicted of anything and therefore the background check came up clean, but most people who know them would be shocked they were issued permits.
I also am wary about leaving a pistol unattended and not locked up for any length of time if children of any age are around, including teenagers, so I think there are many times when its appropriate to keep the handgun locked up, even if that means you dont have it on your person.
Ive personally never bothered getting a carry permit because I live in a rural area with low crime. I am of the belief way too many permits are being issued to too many people who shouldnt have one. I think the requirements should be a lot stricter and training more extensive, but If someone is mature has a squeaky clean background and an even temperment, I wouldnt judge them for carrying a lot.
Im just disturbed at some of the people Ive discovered had carry permits despite being known hotheads. Ive recently found out two people I know have carry permits despite the fact both have had histories of spousal abuse and child abuse. I can only assume they werent convicted of anything and therefore the background check came up clean, but most people who know them would be shocked they were issued permits.