friend gives me crap for carrying all the time...

Erikbal said:
Honestly the guy's my best friend and he's not being mean or anything about it. He got his permit when he was going through the academy, but I believe he would have it even if it weren't for that. He doesn't even keep his glock in his bedroom. Most of the time when I carry it doesn't even come up but sometimes I'll be with him and we'll decide to go to a local bar for wings, since it's a bar and I am riding with him he HAS to know I am carrying because even though I never drink when I carry, I still have to leave the gun in his truck so I lock it in the glove box and there's no way for him not to know that when I'm with him in his truck. I'm not mad about it or anything, I just thought it'd be a good topic and was curious if any of you other guys experience this at all. Thanks for all of the replies and VERY good points!
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I understand your surprise. It doesn't take much to get a bunch of 2A fanatics worked up. :D It is sometimes hard, even with a very descriptive post, for others not to read into the OP's situation and possibly project their own experiences into the question.

Regarding your friend...As long as your relationship is not affected, then it is a non-event.

Fly
 
These days the places where you would never think to take a gun are the places you may need one the most, like church, school, and work. All too often, some nut job is walking in to a crowded place and mowing people down. The population of the town rarely affects the persons decision to do something like this.
 
I have some friends that are on both sides of the isle as well. Some of them own guns, go shooting, hunting, and do not care to vote or support the NRA or our gun rights. :o

I would just stop talking to him about it. If he asks, say you stopped carrying it. That seems much easier than trying to having to constantly defend your right to carry. Here in Illinois we don't have that right yet.
 
It's funny, but the people who have been caught without a gun, who needed one and probably could/would have been able to use one effectively, require very little to understand WHY people have CCW's. I encountered a potentially dangerous person many years ago when I was unarmed, and I have seldom been unarmed since. At that time,I just happened to be in a civilan job, working in an office, when a very dangerous person popped in, had a verbal encounter with the front office, and then left. We did not know if he would be coming back. That night, my recreational Ruger .22 Target auto got traded for a Colt Commercal Govt .45.
 
(1): Who gives a **** what others think?

(2): Why does he know? I carried for years before my *wife* figured it out.


Be cool, and be private.


Willie

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Erikbal said:
Most of the time when I carry it doesn't even come up but sometimes I'll be with him and we'll decide to go to a local bar for wings, since it's a bar and I am riding with him he HAS to know I am carrying because even though I never drink when I carry, I still have to leave the gun in his truck so I lock it in the glove box and there's no way for him not to know that when I'm with him in his truck.
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Huh?

Is this the law in your state, or is this his rule?

This sounds to me like a great way to have a handgun stolen ...
 
Say what????

they use a typewriter and type it onto the permit.
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A typewriter? Where the heck do they get ribbon for the typewriter? What if it breaks? Then you'll have to Corning or something?
 
I dont think that de-friending him would be a great idea...my friends mean more to me than a chunk of steel and polymer. but i wouldnt give up carrying my gun either.

simply tell him that you respect his right not to carry and you would appreciate if he respected that you will carry everywhere. who knows he might end up carrying all the time too once he sees you carrying all the time.:)
 
If your friend is so intuitive that he can tell you where you don't need to carry, maybe you can ask him to bless you with his intellect and tell you where you will need to carry. And make it specifics, not generalities.
 
AB, many if not most states ban carry in bars.

Some ban carry in any establishment that serves alcohol, to include restaurants.

Many, such as mine, allow carry in the dining area of a restaurant that serves alcohol, but ban any intoxication while carrying; additionally, they ban carry in the bar portion of the restaurant.

So, if the guys are getting wings at a sports bar, the OP could not carry in the majority of states. This is not a surprise.

Willie Sutton, output, and others, it helps if you actually read the preceding posts, particularly the OP's, so you don't give advice that makes absolutely no sense in context.

For a quick summary:

1) The guy giving the OP a hard time is his best friend; their relationship isn't suffering.

2) The OP can't hide the fact he's carrying from his best friend, because the issue is that they like to go places where the OP can't bring his gun, so the OP then has to leave his gun in the friend's vehicle while they are in the establishment.

The OP made clear that he can't avoid telling, because he has to lock his gun in the friend's glove box.
 
"The OP made clear that he can't avoid telling, because he has to lock his gun in the friend's glove box."



I did read all of the posts. It seems, with all due respect, that his friend knows more about him that he might ought need to... were it not for the locking it up in the glovebox foolishness (easy to steal among other things...)

If it were me, I'd drive my own car more and ride less... or go to a lot less bars. And to lock it up in a car, I'd take the FBI approach: In the trunk, with a chain and a padlock locking the trunk so that if it's opened up it can only be opened an inch or two, and then the chain needs to be unlocked to open it further. Ask any FBI Agent how they keep their MP-5's from being stolen.

The point being that discretion & privacy is often the best strategy for CCW holders. You don't need to argue with people that don't know you are armed.



Willie

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...the chances of me ever needing my gun are slim, which I am happy about, but I am not HURTING OR BOTHERING anything or anyone by carrying it when nobody even knows, ya know what I mean?
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Sure, WE know what you mean... And we're cool... So... You're cool too...

(... Ya' can't please all the people all of the time... It's not in the nature of things...)

Carry with steady confidence, brother!
 
I live in a small city with a population of around 14,000. For such a small city it still has its share of crime and we are only 70 miles south of Buffalo and get a lot of thugs that come down here from there. My friend, who also has a pistol permit and owns a glock 19 and a 22, has never carried the entire ten years I've known him. I got my permit last Sept and got my pistol Jan 9th and have been carrying on a regular basis since then, hence a big reason why I bought a small compact 380 as my first pistol. He gives me crap and says it's ridiculous to carry in this small city and uncalled for and that basically I am being over paranoid and there's no point to carry unless I go somewhere where it's called for.
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Nothing happens in small towns and so you are being paranoid?

Lots of school shootings occur in towns smaller than yours...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

Non-robbery workplace shootings
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/a-history-of-workplace-sh_n_670128.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Workplace_killings

Serial killers
http://www.redding.com/databases/serial-killer-by-name-and-state/
such as Jennings, LA - http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jennings-la/T2PETKRDAEKTQAMPL
Hillsboro, OH - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20757

Oh, and in your little home town of Olean, NY, you have few murders but several rapes, robberies, assaults each year
 
A friendship is more valuable than whether you carry a gun around or not. If you guys really are best buds, then you should be able to talk it out, especially since he's not an anti-gun nut. He probably thinks he's just giving you a little friendly ribbing and doesn't realize it actually bothers you.
 
Nothing happens in small towns and so you are being paranoid?
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I used to feel that I didn't need to carry due to the fact that I live in a fairly small town. However as things started happening in the surrounding communities I slowly began to realize that the size of the town has nothing to do with it. The turning point for me was February 13, 2005 while I was in the hospital with my wife who was in labor with our first son. I turned the TV on to provide some distraction from what she was feeling (even though I didn't think it would take her mind off it) and every channel had a news report about a local event. It seemed that someone walked into the local shopping mall and started shooting with an AK style rifle wounding 2. He started at Best Buy and slowly made his way into the main corridor. My wife and I knew the mall well since we both grew up in the area. This is when I decided that anytime I was with my kid I would be carrying a handgun, I sold my Ruger P-90 and invested in a Kimber Pro CDP II which I felt would be easier to carry. I have lived up to the promise I made to myself and while I don't carry all the time, I always have one if my wife or kids are with me. By the way my neighbors were in the mall when the shooting occurred
Stu
 
Nothing happens in small towns so you are being paranoid.
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I'm aware and have dealt with some thugs that really love that attitude. :D

Whomever thinks this way really needs to be-friend some of the local small town/country LEO's and pick their brain as to huge increase in inner, big city BG's going to the small towns/country to do their thing.

Why the increase?

Cause most thugs want crimes of opportunity and since many small town/ country dwellers have the attitude of "it won't happen here", they often present more of an opportunity. I.E. Doors(cars,house,out-buildings) unlocked, little lighting, drapes/curtains left open, no alarm sys., etc.
 
Thanks a lot MLeake for making that clear. Double Naughty Spy what source did you use to reasearch my town? It's really cool you took your time to do that and now I'm just curious and interested how you learned that. I'm not going to defriend him over stating his opinion and I don't go to bars that often, once a week at the MOST to eat chicken wings and since I've started carrying I won't even have a few beers with my dinner. I believe NY is something like if 51% or more of their income is from alcohol you can't have a firearm there. I do agree with all you guys though and I WON'T let someone elses opinion stop me from carrying and using my right. Thanks for all the support!
 
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My apologies, Erikbal. I got so caught up in reading various small town crime stories and such that when I got to the data for your town, I forgot the link.

I googled the location under your name and added the word "crime" to it. Of the matches that popped up, this is one that had a lot of information and it seems to have it for a lot of places (standardized?) and so you can make your own comparisons.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Olean-New-York.html

It looks like you have at least 24 known sex offenders as well.
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Olean-New-York.html

You have more of some types of crime than other towns when you look at the rate per 100K, less for others. You do seem really low on murders. In short, just because you are in a small town does not really mean nothing happens there. Things aren't on the news every night like in a big city, but that is because you probably don't have a TV station with a news team in your town either. Lack of public crime announcements isn't the same thing as lack of crime.
 
Thanks a lot man and that is exactly my point! Just because it's a small town doesn't mean there is no crime and a lot of it is NOT publicized and is swept under the rug. I'm going to check out your link right now thanks again!
 
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