finally disarmed of my ccw by cop

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>I'm just saying do not let the few tarnish the many.<

Herein lies part of the problem: quite often, when the actions of the few are pointed out as being wrong, the many jump to their defense. Look at almost any thread where police actions are questioned: you have to have an almost ironclad case before you can break the thin blue line (at times, and it's certainly not every LEO here). This, more than the actual actions of the few bad apples, tarnishes the many...
 
What is 'the helmet law?' Are you obliged by law to wear a helmet?
I only ask because it is obligatory here (in Australia.) I thought that in the land of the Constitution you could decide such things for yourself. Same with seat belts and pool fences and other invasive meddling.
 
Let me get this straight

You are riding without a helmet get stopped and no moving violation, he just removes the magazine (not clip) gives you back your gun and you are complaining???

Yea right. Get a life dude.:barf:

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Every complaint in this thread seems to revolve around the complainer not obeying the law: (Failure to wear a motorcycle helmet where required, failure to properly stow weapons for transport, etc).

Obey the freakin' law and you won't have a problem.
 
True, when cop's actions are called in to question, the majority of police officers will rally to their fellow officer's defense. But that's instinct for them. Rather defend a fellow officer in the chance that he is right, then condemn him flat out. I suspect the same is true in any organization such as law enforcement or marine units or the like. You just have to gather the facts on each situation and make a judgement for yourself. There's nothing else you can really do.
 
Glock 31 - I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the Police will support each other even if they are in the wrong? I can assure you that is not the case. Not where I come from anyhow.
 
First, anyone who would begrudge a LEO the need to temporarily disarm them should watch this video and return to post. Here is the Firing Line thread in case the video is down.

In my state, I am required to inform and if the LEO feels the need, allow myself to be disarmed. That has happened three times in my case, I have been disarmed once. The only problem I had with it was remembering all the videos I have seen of LEOs having negligent discharges. The idea of allowing another person to disarm me gives me the willies, but it is the law where I live, thus I comply if stopped. Cest la Vie.

What I'd like to know from Craig is did the LEO check the chamber? If he did not, then he is not qualified to handle that gun, and since he is not qualified, he should not have the authority to do so. Giving him that authority places every CCW holder he stops at risk.

Finally, any person who would run up within feet of a moving motorcycle has NO regard for the life of the rider on that bike. The revolution on the rear tire insures a mishap if the bumper of the car even kisses it. The bike can stop quicker than the hurtling mass of car. This action should be reported as the dangerous hot dog BS it is, and the officer reprimanded. If this kind of traffic stop is not addressed in their regulation manual then it should be. Running over people in a traffic stop is NOT good for department PR. This blatant disregard for the life of the biker needs to be dealt with before the LEO kills somebody.
 
Tanksoldier,
Succinct and to the point!
OBEY THE LAW!!
It's that simple!
If you break the law, even a minor one(not using directionals/jaywalking), an LEO is within his/her rights to stop and question you.
I'm so sick and tired of these people(leftwing/liberals/ultra rightwing/immature/etc)that think they can go about their business and do anything they want without "the man" getting in their face at some point in their life.
There are laws, and they exist so as to create at least a semblance of civilized society.
If everyone did as they pleased, anarchy would reign supreme.
Do and say ANYTHING you want!
But be prepared to catch some #$*6@ if it offends someone or is against the law.
As for LEO's stopping people, that is part of their job.
And they do it, for the most part, for good cause.
And YES! Sometimes laws need to be created to stop people from practicing dangerous behaviour and save the rest of us from paying for their actions.
Case in point: Helmet laws.
I've been riding Harleys for almost 30yrs.
Riding w/o a lid is one of the greatest joys of riding.
Wind in your hair, sun on your head.
Total freedom!
Smack your noggin on the asphalt or drag it along the highway for 20feet, and I'm sure your attitude about NOT wearing a lid will adjust in some way.
And if you become paralysed/brain damaged,etc, who foots the bill for your treatment if you can't pay.
If your insurance pays, it effects others by way of higher premiums or taxes for Medicaid(or is it Medicare?)
I think you've got to be an idiot not to wear a helmet when driving/riding an exposed, unprotected motorvehicle such as a motorcycle.
And I live in a "lid free" state!
But I've seen enough lives ruined because a helmet was not worn.
(Yeah,yeah,! I know. Helmets can CAUSE injury too.
So it it NOT just about you.
Your actions involve others also.
If your state says "Wear it", then WEAR IT!
Choose not to, and expect to be stopped.
It's "Big Brother" once again stifling your freedoms!!!:rolleyes:

Anyway.......obey the law.
And if you get stopped, drop the attitude, be courteous(as you should be ANYWAY to everyone), and get it over with.
Letting the LEO aware of your firearm is just sensible.
If you don't, and he sees it, you can bet the LEO will be a little more thorough.
You make your own choices in this life.
Make good ones! :)
 
not complaining about anything

but how he (cop) endangered my by running up on me so closely. like he was trying to scare me or something. ever have the cops, when stopping you, ask "ever been to jail" fortunantly i dont scare anymore.
as far as helmet law, it requires either health ins or a completed motorcycle safety course.
in my post i explained im writing this "in case you guys wondered how it might go down"
in galveston we dont get hassled for bs like helmets or signals.
im only in houston temporarily, thankfully.
and the fact that i got no moving vio just goes to show i wasnt really doing a damn thing...
craig
 
I posted this on another forum here, but I'm not concerned with CCW permit holders. The vast, vast majority are the most law abiding and responsible folks around. My wife has more handguns than me, and has been a CCW holder for more than 20 years...

If I stop someone and they show me their permit (not required up here), I appreciate the courtesy. I thank them and ask where the bellygun is, just so I know. Unless there's some mitigating factor, I don't ask to show it to me or hold it. You might be surprised how consistently a veteran LEO can key on who is carrying and who isn't without asking.

Up here in ND, firearms are just a part of everyday life, and we don't go on point just because there's one (or two or three..) present on a stop. It's legal to carry a long gun uncased and loaded in the magazine in a vehicle, and most we stop have both a loaded & uncased shotgun and centerfire rifle in them...
 
Glock 31:
IMHO people are either criminals or they aren't, if there is a middle position, I am unaware of it.
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That's a nice, neat view of the situation, but when was the last time you woke up in your own bed a felon one morning, because a law came into effect at midnight. Millions of Americans have done just that.

tanksoldier:
Every complaint in this thread seems to revolve around the complainer not obeying the law: (Failure to wear a motorcycle helmet where required, failure to properly stow weapons for transport, etc).

Obey the freakin' law and you won't have a problem.
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Same comment, tanksoldier. There's some bad freakin' law out there. If the complaint about an ordinance, statute or national law is legitimate, the fact that some one has violated it and been convicted does not mean the criticism of that criminal code is wrong. If it's wrong, it's wrong, and everyone convicted under that "bad law" is wrongly convicted. I do not necessarily make this argument against all the specific circumstances described in this thread, but, with all due respect, "Obey the freakin' law and you won't have a problem." is sheeptalk.
 
xavier, there are several ways to look at that incident.

One is that cops need to treat everyone as felons in case the next stopped driver is another Blackburn.

Another is that if cops didn't enforce marijuana and concealed weapons laws, Coates would still be alive.

You can't claim that that murder has some relevance to disarming ccw holders; Blackburn didn't have a ccw. The ccw law wouldn't have made the situation any better. The disclosure requirement and temporary confiscation ability wouldn't make the situation any better. A bad guy with a ccw license is not going to disclose, period, unless he doesn't intend to cause trouble and knows there's nothing illegal in his car.

How do you see that incident as supporting the need for cops to know about and temporarily confiscate legally carried weapons? I don't see the connection.
 
Sensop...What law are you referring to here:
"when was the last time you woke up in your own bed a felon one morning, because a law came into effect at midnight. Millions of Americans have done just that.":confused:

And what do you mean by "sheeptalk"? :confused:
 
DasBoot, are you serious?

We have laws that ban what you may own or have in you possession. California seems to be the worst offender. A person owns a particular type of firearm for, say twenty years, his state or the federal government passes a ban on ownership, he/she does nothing to prepare for the ban and wakes up one morning in violation. Violation is a felony. Now, doing nothing to prepare for the change in the law is definitely "non-compliance", but thousands of people may have owned these firearms for a long time and have never misused them. That is intrusive. [Edit: And actually I use "waking up a felon" as a general description for these law changes that impose tighter restrictions, and require positive action by a citizen to remain compliant with the law, even though there is usually a transition period to allow for compliance.] I do not advocate violating the law, but why, suddenly, am I prohibited from owning a rifle or handgun that has never been misused by me? Because it can be misused? That is law principled in prevention and that has been shown to be a poor basis for new law. The logic associated with such law has no conclusion. Sharp sticks, fists ... what are we going to do, cut off our hands?

Sheeptalk: Baaaaaaa. Talking like the rest of the sheep. Follow the rules. Comply. Obey. Avoid critical thinking. Avoid thinking through to the possible consequences. Avoid reponsibility.

[Edit: At this point, we'll go to L&P Forum]
 
with our (houstons) murder rate skyrocketing, and response time of 30 minutes or more, dont you think cops got better things to do than stopping traffic thats not driving dangerously?
 
No i'm not saying cops will protect other cops in EVERY case even if the cop in question is wrong. I'm saying that in MOST cases, they will stand by their own until all the facts about his guilt or innocence are in. Then, if indeed the cop was in the wrong, they treat them like any other criminal. Cops, like soldiers, need the moral support and comraderie of their fellow officers to make the job a little easier, more fun, and safer. If one of your loved ones was accused of a crime, would you immediately decry him/her a criminal, or would you stand by them until proven guilty? I would like to think most of us would stand by our loved ones till proven guilty. Even though some can't accept the fact that even loved ones can be guilty, that's beside the point. I guess i'm saying that most of the time, the thin blue wall isn't bad or corrupt except when it gets in the way of justice.

And as for waking up in bed a felon, which law exactly was that? Isn't there something that says if an act was not a crime and is later made into a criminal offense, you can't be prosecuted for the prior act or something like that? Anyway when I say criminal or not, I am refering to the obvious crimes like murder, rape, and robbery and such. Not being able to ccw one day and not the next. Come on. Don't immediately infer that when I post something like that, it applies to every possible situation or scenario.

Basically if someone is a fugitive, and they get caught cause of a traffic violation, great. But they will believe that cops shouldn't be able to use traffic violations to pull people over cause they don't want to get caught. If your not a fugitive, and you get pulled over for a traffic violation. Well I don't see what you have to complain about. You wouldn't have gotten pulled over if you didn't violate the traffic code.

Tank soldier put it as simple as I ever could, Obey the law and you won't have anything to worry about.

If you don't like the law, then write some letters if you think it needs changing. But in the end, we are better off with traffic laws and the arrests that are brought about by them, than without them.
 
and the idea that if you dont do anything wrong you wont be stopped is false.
ive been stopped (again on a m.c.) for absolutely NO REASON except maybe i had long hair and was riding a mc.
the first thing i did was ask "what did i do wrong"?
the response- "this bike isnt registered to you"
this exchange occured b4 he id' me!

this was in spring valley (a small "town" on the west side)...
 
The ONLY way I'm volunteering to a cop that I'm armed (other than my good friend the cop, he doesn't count) is if I'm asked to step from my vehicle.

Up to that point, I'm not required to under Virginia law, and I don't give a damn if he gets uptight about it or not.


That said, the other night I was pulled over for the first time in probably 10 years. My license plates had expired.

The officer was professional, courteous, told me to get my plates renewed the next day, and sent me on my way.

Bastard. He treated me like a criminal, using red lights to pull me over! :rolleyes:
 
ZEN,
I'm still having a problem understanding your problem.
If your guns are improperly stored, you SHOULD be hassled
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I had no permit so the cop didn't have any reason to ask about a gun at my traffic stop. I went along merrily about my way with no problem. The only reason I had a gun in my car was that I was going to the shooting range.

This is my point. I want to live in peace. I don't want to draw attention to myself.

A gun permit would have caused a problem where there wasn't one at that traffic stop. This was the deciding moment for my choice not to mail in my completed application for a gun permit. I only wanted to carry a gun for self-defense. I actually have no desire to lug around a heavy dangerous weapon all the time. Some people just like carrying a gun. I'm not of that ilk. I decided instead to use two non-lethal means of self defense: kubaton and pepper spray. A gun permit can get a person in trouble; you can lose the gun or you can have an accidental shooting or forget you have the gun and walk through a metal detector, etc, on and on. I want none of that. I only wanted to be able to fend off a mugger not scare a cop. In fact the kubaton with my keys on it has already deterred one nut. I can do quite a bit of damage without a gun plus I can drop my kubaton on the floor at the grocery store without creating a scene. By the way, a cop at the shooting range showed me the kubaton. Interesting little weapon it is.
 
In Texas when they pull up your liscense its tagged to show you have a CHL and you are required to give your CHL and DL together. If you dont, you can get a suspension of your CHL.
 
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