finally disarmed of my ccw by cop

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The kind of person who has a ccw permit and discloses that during a stop is not a measurable risk. Requiring such people to disclose and allowing them to temporarily "secure" the gun may give cops warm fuzzies, but it doesn't accomplish anything productive.

I can appreciate that cops may (irrationally) feel more comfortable by knowing whether someone is carrying and being able to confiscate the gun temporarily. Everyone feels more comfortable the more they know about someone. However, it is abusive for the legislature to pass parts of criminal laws designed to make cops feel better at the (admittedly minor) expense of citizens' rights.

The same sort of comfort argument seems to me to be a main reason why concealed carry was historically viewed as criminal, while open carry was generally okay. The thought that someone might have a concealed weapon causes many people to be nervous. By passing a law prohibiting concealed carry, those people cease to be quite so nervous even though almost all bad, violent people still carry concealed weapons.
 
at least we can cave ccw, chl, etc
if thats what it takes (disclosure) its a pretty small price to pay to be able to protect yourself w/o risk of jail...
craig
 
DASBOOT SAYS Think of the situation from THEIR viewpoint and you may just change your mind.
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I was given a warning going to the range the other day at a licence check out in the middle of nowhere(63 in 55) and was on my way again in about 90 seconds. However, I had 2 pistols in the cab with me zipped in cases and two rifles behind the seat. If I had a CCW I would have had to declare and then I would have been hassled. Probably improper storage and could have had weapons confiscated. Maybe not but maybe yes. After I drove off hassle free with friendly verbal exchanges I decided at that moment to not mail off the ccw application.
 
I was in a small accident a few nights ago that looked worse than it was. The cops were called, and I spent 45min with this guy, and since I was never asked to to anything like a sobriety check, or please sit in the cruiser, or anyhting of that nature, I didnt see a need to tell him what he didnt know.

It went fine, and if it became anything more than him seeing if we needed help and filling out an accident report, I would have definatly told him before he found it. I was thinking if i had to tell him that I would have put my arms out and said I have a CCW and permit for such.

My opinion is to not tell unless it becomes apperant that he might find it. If its a routine encounter, why worry anyone.
 
This is the reason that, when we finally get CCW here in WI, I'll be having a small pocket added to the left cuff of all my riding jackest (warm and cold weather): to carry my DL and CCW. Puul over, stop bike, pull out cards...

Re: driving up on your tail: depending on the speed involved, I would take the officer's name and badge number, and report unsafe driving. At any kind of speed, had something gone wrong, he would have been over the top of you...
 
An LEO friend of mine gave me the most charming answer that he uses when someone pulled over at a traffic stop mentions that they have a permit and a piece: "If you don't show me yours, I won't show you mine."

That earns his department the kind of good PR money can't buy. :)
 
That license is called a CHL out here in the great western desert (Texas). As I recall If stopped by LEO, you must produce your CHL along with Driver's License.
And he or she may take the weapon while conducting the stop if they desire.

I think mutual respect between Citizens and Leos go a long way and if we occasionally run into somebody moody, they likely aren't that way 24/7.........
 
Wow I see all these stories like this about the cops treating us like criminals. You know, i've been pulled over about 5 or 6 times in my life, all of them while I was carrying. You know what the most any of those incidents ever came to was the officer running the numbers on my gun and handing it back to me mag seperate from the gun. I didn't feel like he was treating me like a criminal. It doesn't hurt my hand to slap the mag back in once the cop goes on with his day. I was jogging once with a pistol on my side unconcealed and was stopped and made to assume the position over the car as they unholstered my weapon for me and ran the numbers. But you know what, once everything came back fine, they had me assume the position again and put the gun back in the holster, mag in the pocket.

It's just procedure man! It's no big deal. If your not hiding a crime what difference does it make if the cop is being a little carefull. Do you think you have the right to blast the cop because he made you feel bad. If you don't, chances are someone out there did just that. And that's why all cops seem to abide by the saying, "Better safe than sorry.":cool:
 
It's just procedure man! It's no big deal. If your not hiding a crime what difference does it make if the cop is being a little carefull. Do you think you have the right to blast the cop because he made you feel bad. If you don't, chances are someone out there did just that. And that's why all cops seem to abide by the saying, "Better safe than sorry."
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If you've managed to dodge raindrops then fine but I've run into psycho cops and I'm glad I didn't have CCW permit much less a gun and a permit. It can be bad enough just failing to signal when changing lanes. I do everything I can to avoid both Police and Bad Guys. The old saying "the Policeman is your friend" is not always a given. Over the years I've seen Police pull some dreadful stunts so I usually quake in my boots when I have to deal with one. No doubt there are plenty of fine LEOs out there as that is nearly always what I have met but the few who weren't were something else. For example: Ive met two who were front page news bad types.
 
should we as CCW holders always volunteer that we are armed if stopped for a traffic offense?
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In Ohio - your best bet is to start shouting at the top of your lungs that you have a permit and a firearm as soon as you see the lights in your mirror,,and don't shut-up until the cop tells you to.
(i'm only half joking)

Also - stick your arms straight up in the air so there isn't any possible way your hands come anywhere near your piece.

Making a move that can be interperted as going for or touching the weapon in the presence of a police officer will net you a felony charge.

Failure to immediatly disclose that you are carrying, will net you a loss of CCW. "Immediate" is left open to officer discretion. Any time you have that, you can count on it being abused.
 
I agree Zen I have led a sheltered life in regards to run-ins with bad cops. I certainly didn't mean to imply that all cops are saints. I'm just saying that I can't understand some people who get bent out of shape for the hassle they get from a cop who is being carefull simply all on the principal that they don't want to be subjected to barely invassive cautionary procedures. (i.e. assuming the position while being dearmed, or possibly cuffed during a high tension crime-in-progress situation). If it all works out in the end, what's the big deal? If your civil rights were violated, by all means make it known.

Just try not to let the actions of a few dictate the demeanor you have with the many.

IMHO people are either criminals or they aren't, if there is a middle position, I am unaware of it.:cool:
 
Glock31, so you have no problem with the RKBA including the right to be hassled whenever a cop sees you out jogging or stops you for some minor violation (speeding, no turn signal, or whatever)?

It's just procedure man! It's no big deal. If your not hiding a crime what difference does it make if the cop is being a little carefull.
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That argument doesn't fly.

If you have no problem with police doing anything that's "just procedure" and that's only a minor inconvenience, that means you have no problem with cops completely gutting the 4th amendment and restricting the 1st amendment with licenses and random checks.
 
whats kinda cool is if you do declare the gun, and he takes it and goes back to his cruiser to check you out, the cops unlikely to search you, and maybe find that cuban cigar you forgot to take out of your pocket...:cool:
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When stopped or checked, I hand the officer my DL and CCW. I have never been disarmed by the officer. They have asked where I was carrying, but never have they even asked me to remove it and clear it if it was on my person.

Once I came upon a DUI roadblock on my way back from picking up a pistol from a gunsmith. It was laying in the passenger seat unconcealed(but unloaded with the slide locked open). The officer approached the car and I handed him my DL and CCW. He asked what the "CCW was for?" When I pointed at the gun and said "that right there", he turned white and just told me to go on. I think it scared him a little that he didn't notice it until I pointed it out to him.:D

Just a matter of semantics, but your concealed permit is a CPL or CWL. CCW is what you are charged with when carrying without a permit....
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CCW is a generic term used on this site and in the gun mags for (legal) Concealed Carry of Weapons or Concealed Carry Weapon. I know it is a different term in some areas. In AL, our permit is a State Pistol License, not CHL or CWL.
 
and WHAT GOOD IS AN UNLOADED GUN?
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I'd just gotten it back from the smith and hadn't had a chance to personally test-fire it. Besides, I never said it was the only pistol I had with me.;)
 
Cuate

Right you are! I was about 50 miles west of Hondo on 90 and got stopped..going a tad fast!..Put driver's license, title, proof of insurance, CHL and keys on the dash..switched on the dome light (even though there was enough ambiant light to view the interior) and waited.

DPS trooper observed my display, congratulated me for my stop prep and sent me on my way!

LEO's know when they run your driver's license if you have a CHL..as we all know. I just hoped my preperation and smiling face would work!:O)

I always keep in mind that these good folks are on a different level of mind set..and you never know where they've just been, or what kind of person they've just dealt with. I want their experience with me to be a good one.

Take Care

John
 
While driving to work one morning(about 4:30a.m.) I met two local PD Units. as we passed I noticed they were looking at me and then did a 180. I immediately pulled to the curb, shut everything down, and placed both hands on the steering wheel(getting shot that early in the morning would have ruined the rest of my day). Didn't think to turn on the dome light at the time.

Anyway, seems a car had been stolen that fit the description of mine. Less than two minutes I was on my way, and they went on looking for the suspect. The fact that I was CCW never even came into play this time.
 
ZEN,
I'm still having a problem understanding your problem.
If your guns are improperly stored, you SHOULD be hassled.
Any reasonable person understands that there are bad people in this world and a lot of those people use guns to do very bad things.
Not knowing which side of the law you reside on, it's the responsibility of an LEO to establish that by checking your credentials.
It helps to keep us all a bit safer.
I love these people that are sooooo concerned about their "rights", but will be the first to scream if a BG commits some heinous crime because he WASN'T checked out by an LEO.
And if you are doing something outside the prescribed manner of wearing, carrying, transporting, etc, a firearm, again it is the LEO's duty to check you out.
Isn't it worth few minutes of your time if the next guy the LEO "hassles" is on his way to/from a crime?
All you have accomplished is to keep yourself from carrying your weapon in a concealed manner.
But you sure showed them, didn't ya!:rolleyes:
To each his own.
I prefer having mine on my hip.
 
tyme,
I do have a problem with cops gutting the first and fourth amendments. Though I have never really heard of any specific cases where they have without a reason that has to do with public safety. (i.e. screaming fire or bomb in a crowded place for fun, or known drug houses.)

In other words since I don't get my rocks off scaring people by screaming stuff like that, I don't have to worry about the cops hindering my first amendment right.

And since I have never given any law enforcement agency any reason to search me or my house unreasonably for anything, I don't have to worry about my fourth amendment right.

The reason they stopped me while I was jogging was that I was a man dressed in camoflage, running down a dark lit road at 2 am, with a gun on my hip, in a neighborhood that had been having numerous breaking and entering incidents in the recent weeks. Since I live in a relatively small town, this isn't something the cops here are used to. I would have stopped me if I was the cop.

And incidentally, speeding, and not using your turn signals though minor and pretty much done by everyone, are still violations of city traffic codes. If they happen to be done in front of a cop, you should expect to get pulled over. Besides that's how most drug busts occur, with routine traffic stops. If I was to complain to someone and wind up getting those codes erased as violations (as unlikely as that is), cops would seriously be hindered in the tools they have to combat the serious criminals. I'm talking about probable cause. And again, since i'm not a criminal and I know i'm not, I have no problem with the cops doing there jobs in pulling me over for violations I do committ. It keeps me and everyone else safer. And it is the duty of cops to ensure felons do not have guns, if they catch a felon with a gun during a routing stop, well that's what it's all about. Ensuring only the responsible law abiding members of society like the members here have guns.

How else do you expect cops to keep our streets as safe as they possibly can. They don't know that you are a reasonably safe and responsible individual, or a raving lunatic, until they pull you over and talk with you. Until then, your just a license plate entry with individual specific info.

Again I am not saying that every cop uses these tools like they should in a constitutionally ethical way. I'm just saying do not let the few tarnish the many.:cool:
 
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