I haven't read all the posts so if this is redundant forgive me. I know a little about this and I have many friends that are LE. Each individual officer is different. He has the right to temporally disarm a legal CCW holder if he sees fit. At least in VA anyway. I have dealt with police who held it for the duration of the stop and with others who didn't seem to give it a second thought. Some officers feel safer with different methods. I've never known one to do anything illegal when dealing with a permit holder.
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And yes, as a matter of policy and safety, giving it to you in pieces is the right th
Once again, the ole' "these things are really dangerous" attitude. Also, to show you who's in charge.
Optical, I'm sure you are very polite. I don't mean to paint all cops as jerks.
DasBoot, such a mature, good citizen! Never disagreeing publicly, always cross at the crosswalk, never, ever exceed the speed limit, etc., etc.,. If you do accidently break a law and get caught, agree with the guy who stops you that you are, indeed, a miserable criminal and cheerfully pay the fine. Please, how do you think support is generated to change stupid laws? People get upset, voice their opinions, try to change other peoples' minds.
It isn't called whining, it's called understanding what a really big problem we have if people on a GUN forum buy into the anti-gun belief that a person exercising their legal and constitutional right is, somehow, more dangerous that the average person!
Once again, the ole' "these things are really dangerous" attitude. Also, to show you who's in charge.
Optical, I'm sure you are very polite. I don't mean to paint all cops as jerks.
DasBoot, such a mature, good citizen! Never disagreeing publicly, always cross at the crosswalk, never, ever exceed the speed limit, etc., etc.,. If you do accidently break a law and get caught, agree with the guy who stops you that you are, indeed, a miserable criminal and cheerfully pay the fine. Please, how do you think support is generated to change stupid laws? People get upset, voice their opinions, try to change other peoples' minds.
It isn't called whining, it's called understanding what a really big problem we have if people on a GUN forum buy into the anti-gun belief that a person exercising their legal and constitutional right is, somehow, more dangerous that the average person!
Hunter Rose
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pardon me for rainin' on y'all's parade, but the OPs goram point was the dangerous way the officer approached his bike before the stop (something I think anybody on two wheels can understand). The gun thing was only incidental...
unfortunately, y'all have taken what SHOULD have been a case of "yeah... that was stupid on his part. Did you report him?" and turned it into yet another installment of "Us v Them". Wow... colour me not very supprised...
unfortunately, y'all have taken what SHOULD have been a case of "yeah... that was stupid on his part. Did you report him?" and turned it into yet another installment of "Us v Them". Wow... colour me not very supprised...
]Hey(AB)Normal,
A few of your quotes
Do you feel the same about, let's say, cars, passports, airline tickets, etc?
And you are comfortable letting people that work around children having guns w/o checking them out a bit ie: reasons for carrying, will they carry while working with the children, etc.
Not to mention liability in both cases.
As for the times, and they were often, that I wasn't, you're right!
I have paid PLENTY of fines in my day, and I deserved almost every one of them.
And you know what, even the ones I thought were off base, was it worth losing a days pay to prove a minor point?
Not to me!
As for
You've got some REAL issues man!!
Your condescending attitude and obvious disdain for the law, and LEOs in particular, is quite evident.
It must be REALLY tough being you!!
A few of your quotes
So you think guns should just be handed out w/o ANY prior instruction.
So you don't think it's necessary to have a rudimentary knowledge of the laws surrounding the carry of a lethal weapon(a gun).
So you think guns should be dispensed willy-nilly into our society w/o any information/identification about the people getting them.
Do you feel the same about, let's say, cars, passports, airline tickets, etc?
So you don't think employers have the right to question a prospective employee about his/her gun ownership, even though workplace violence with a gun happens quite often in this country.
And you are comfortable letting people that work around children having guns w/o checking them out a bit ie: reasons for carrying, will they carry while working with the children, etc.
Not to mention liability in both cases.
There you go, being treated like a criminal again!
Arrogant and condescending......I can't IMAGINE why!!!!!
Thanks for the compliment!
As for the times, and they were often, that I wasn't, you're right!I have paid PLENTY of fines in my day, and I deserved almost every one of them.
And you know what, even the ones I thought were off base, was it worth losing a days pay to prove a minor point?
Not to me!
As for
I don't recall ANY LEO EVER accusing me of being such.
You've got some REAL issues man!!
Your condescending attitude and obvious disdain for the law, and LEOs in particular, is quite evident.
It must be REALLY tough being you!!
Handed out? Yes. Carried? No, but that's up to the owner. There's no constitutional basis for a state power to restrict carry based on training.Dasboot said:
Most people have a rather good idea of what constitutes an offense that might get you perforated. Hot-heads are not going to be cooled by a several-hour course which they're probably irritated to have to attend.
Unlike cars and airplane tickets, a passport is a government document linked to your identity, and for good reason -- it needs to establish who you are so that other countries know your country vouches for you, and so that your country knows who you are when you return from abroad.
No, and yes, and I don't care about liability issues. Do you have a right to question a prospective employee about smoking at home because she/he might bring cigarettes to work and light up in violation of company policy? How about kitchen knives? Chainsaws? Halberds? Katanas? Martial arts training? You'd never be able to hire anyone, because your interviews will last years.
Whether a particular daycare's employees have guns is the business of the parents who put their children in a particular daycare. It's not my business, and it's not the government's business.
Being hot-headed is not the point.
I don't know, I just feel a little bit better knowing the average Joe has had just a bit of gun related education.
I'm funny that way!
With licensing, we KNOW this individual has achieved at least SOME level of proficiency and has SOME knowledge of the laws involved.
I suppose you don't think we should be "forced" to take a driving test before getting a license either.
As for airline tickets, you honestly feel that, in todays climate and after 9/11, anyone should be able to just walk up to a counter, purchase a ticket(one way/no luggage?) and just go his merry way w/o ANY check being made as to who he is, where he's from, showing ID to back it up, etc.
It must be nice in your world!
You must not own a business w/multiple employees.
Grow-up man!
We're talking GUNS!
Not cigarettes and chainsaws!
You like the idea of unlicensed and untrained individuals all over the work place I gather?!
In your world, the parents wouldn't even KNOW the employees have handguns because the employer wouldn't be allowed to ask about them!
You don't have kids either, do you?
The bottom line is......we have laws.
Most, I imagine, were put in place for a good reason.
I don't get my knickers in a twist every time I have to follow one.
If you do, enjoy yourself!
Rage against the machine!
Take back YOUR rights!
Etc, etc.
I'm goin' to the beach!
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The first statement is true. The second couldn't be farther from.
That being said, read the Constitution, read English Common law, ya know, the sources of our political system and rule of law. You'll find very little in there about "registration", "licensing" or "training". Those come about when those in power want to control everyone else, usually for "the greater good".
There's that licensing thing again. Always assuming that adults can't make decisions without the state's direction.
Do you think someone who wanted to kill a fellow employee will tell you he has a gun and intends to kill a couple of people? It was illegal for the Columbine killers to take guns to school! All that did was prevent any immediate response to stop the killing.
In the UK they're talking about restricting ownership of sharp-pointed knives. They have banned all the guns. And a child murdered with a knife, or a blow to the head/body, is still dead.
I could go on but, you need to get to the beach. You won't mind if we restrict your ownership of knives, or baseball bats, or whatever, as long as you catch those rays!
Harley Quinn
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DasBoot Said...
In your world, the parents wouldn't even KNOW.
The employees have handguns?
Because the employer,
wouldn't be allowed to ask about them!
You don't have kids either, do you?
The bottom line is......we have laws.
Most, I imagine, were put in place for a good reason.
I don't get my knickers in a twist every time I have to follow one.
If you do, enjoy yourself!
Rage against the machine!
Take back YOUR rights!
Etc, etc.
I'm goin' to the beach!
HQ mentions,
You need to finish that safe DasBoot forget about your boat for a while and get it opened.
I believe Laws are good for society, It is prevelant in the 3rd world countries to have many law's restricting people.
Laws are made all the time for some reason, must be because we are inherently bad LOL...It's a Joke...
Is the UK now a third world power? Is the USA becoming a 3rd world power?
No but all societies need laws.
Control is not the issue, a good society, with good laws are needed.
Other wise you have "Deadwood".
HQ
In your world, the parents wouldn't even KNOW.
The employees have handguns?
Because the employer,
wouldn't be allowed to ask about them!
You don't have kids either, do you?
The bottom line is......we have laws.
Most, I imagine, were put in place for a good reason.
I don't get my knickers in a twist every time I have to follow one.
If you do, enjoy yourself!
Rage against the machine!
Take back YOUR rights!
Etc, etc.
I'm goin' to the beach!
HQ mentions,
You need to finish that safe DasBoot forget about your boat for a while and get it opened.
I believe Laws are good for society, It is prevelant in the 3rd world countries to have many law's restricting people.
Laws are made all the time for some reason, must be because we are inherently bad LOL...It's a Joke...
Is the UK now a third world power? Is the USA becoming a 3rd world power?
No but all societies need laws.
Control is not the issue, a good society, with good laws are needed.
Other wise you have "Deadwood".
HQ
piratecountry
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Guns don't fret me as long as I know about them. I'm a life member of the NRA just like my Mom, Dad and 5 year old son. In NC, if you are stopped or come into contact with a LEO in an official way, you are required to advise him of the CCW. Tell me up front and you are on the way. Let me find it and your most likely going to jail or at least going to hold a citation for CCW. My wife and two young children depend on me to come home every day or night. I will not disappoint them no matter what. If you want to carry CCW, we have a permit, get one. I had to go through 700 hours of school to carry mine concealed so I don't get a free ride either. My profession, as well as a soldiers, is the only one where everyone we come into contact with is armed. If you believe, as I do, that every QUALIFIED person has the right to carry concealed, get the permit, advise me upon approach, and everything will be alright. Hell, I've let lots of folks go with a warning when they advised me they were carrying and had no permit. As long as I know, guns don't fret me. For those bitching because they get stopped by the Police. Stop breaking the law or get over it. The public roadway is the best place for us to get dope and *******s off the street. The lawyers and law makers have made it near impossible for us to do our jobs and protect the citizens of this country. They can't touch the roads. I've stopped hundreds of people for a valid reason with a fishing expedition on my mind. If you aren't doing anything, get the hell on with a good natured be careful. God help you if there is dope in the car. I've been stopped lots of times and don't care. Folks, we are trying to be as proactive against drugs as we can be. Cut us a little slack as the shipment may be heading for your son, daughter or significant other. Sure there are bad cops but most of us are strict law abiders because the district attorneys want to charge us more than the criminals. Walk a mile.......
Pirate, I've been vilified by some on this post because of my views on CCW and cops, so, please don't take this personally.
I spent 2 months on a grand jury and watched as cop after cop came in to testify about some crime or other, usually, but not always, drugs or weapons, where the real "crime" was discovered after a traffic stop. The cop would testify that they stopped the person because of, pick one, tail light out, license plate light out, failure to signal a turn, etc. wink, wink, and you know, wink, wink, we just happened to see this bag of dope on the seat. Everyone in the grand jury room knew the cops were lying, we talked about it at lunch. No matter how you cut it, that isn't right.
I don't believe the people arrested during my time on the grand jury were paragons of society but, if we are going to enforce, say, the CCW laws, why are we not going to enforce the laws against police using bogus stops to fish for drugs, guns, or whatever. My word against yours about signaling a lane change? Kinda' gives you a blank check. That might be legal, but it isn't right.
And, if you don't mind, can I come look around inside your house? You're not doing anything wrong, are you? With the thousands of laws and codes on the books, bet I could find some violation of something, almost guaranteed! How 'bout I do it at 3 AM and don't knock?
Study after study has shown that people who hold CCW permits are MUCH more law abiding than the average citizen. Maybe as law abiding as the average cop? So, how does it make you safer by threatening them with jail if they don't immediately tell you about it? The guy who is going to shoot you is damn sure not going to tell you about his gun!
That excuse has been used to gut the Bill of Rights. It still doesn't make it right.
I know, most cops and, I suppose, most people, believe the way you do. That STILL doesn't make it right!
I spent 2 months on a grand jury and watched as cop after cop came in to testify about some crime or other, usually, but not always, drugs or weapons, where the real "crime" was discovered after a traffic stop. The cop would testify that they stopped the person because of, pick one, tail light out, license plate light out, failure to signal a turn, etc. wink, wink, and you know, wink, wink, we just happened to see this bag of dope on the seat. Everyone in the grand jury room knew the cops were lying, we talked about it at lunch. No matter how you cut it, that isn't right.
I don't believe the people arrested during my time on the grand jury were paragons of society but, if we are going to enforce, say, the CCW laws, why are we not going to enforce the laws against police using bogus stops to fish for drugs, guns, or whatever. My word against yours about signaling a lane change? Kinda' gives you a blank check. That might be legal, but it isn't right.
And, if you don't mind, can I come look around inside your house? You're not doing anything wrong, are you? With the thousands of laws and codes on the books, bet I could find some violation of something, almost guaranteed! How 'bout I do it at 3 AM and don't knock?
Study after study has shown that people who hold CCW permits are MUCH more law abiding than the average citizen. Maybe as law abiding as the average cop? So, how does it make you safer by threatening them with jail if they don't immediately tell you about it? The guy who is going to shoot you is damn sure not going to tell you about his gun!
That excuse has been used to gut the Bill of Rights. It still doesn't make it right.
I know, most cops and, I suppose, most people, believe the way you do. That STILL doesn't make it right!
Harley Quinn
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Bill of Rights?
As 'wink wink' as you say it, is in your minds eye. Now, if you can prove or show he was lying, why would you not take him to task.
The truth is that there are a lot of bad hombres that hit the bucket daily for minor traffic violations, why because it esculates. Simple. Not good registration, bad ID etc. etc.. Step out of the vehicle, pat down. Run them warrant comes back, impound the vehicle. Dope found or not.
Lots of stops go on their way, the thing is, you see the one's that did not go on their way. So now you are saying the cop is lying and 'wink wink'...
Sounds like you are or were part of this so called conspiracy of Cop vs everyone else, who is/are the victim.
Bill of Rights. OK.
HQ
As 'wink wink' as you say it, is in your minds eye. Now, if you can prove or show he was lying, why would you not take him to task.
The truth is that there are a lot of bad hombres that hit the bucket daily for minor traffic violations, why because it esculates. Simple. Not good registration, bad ID etc. etc.. Step out of the vehicle, pat down. Run them warrant comes back, impound the vehicle. Dope found or not.
Lots of stops go on their way, the thing is, you see the one's that did not go on their way. So now you are saying the cop is lying and 'wink wink'...
Sounds like you are or were part of this so called conspiracy of Cop vs everyone else, who is/are the victim.
Bill of Rights. OK.
HQ
Well, HQ, by golly, I guess they were all telling the truth!! We were just mistaking the sly grins and body language. After all, sure got those bad guys off the streets! Who's going to argue about that? No, we couldn't prove they were lying. Didn't signal a turn? License light out (but working later, who'd a thunk!)? The cops word against the perp's. Case closed. But, I have made a pretty good living for 33 years in sales by succcessfully reading body language. And as I said, it happened so often, the ole' "license light out" trick became a joke among the jury members.
And, you're right, we did only see the one's where they found something. We didn't see the one's that were hassled and, finding nothing, were "let go". Doesn't matter though, we'll get 'em next time, right! Gettin' the bad guys off the street is what it's all about! Get the hell out of the car and shut up!
You guys seem to think that because a cop is going after "bad guys", they should have carte blanche to try and enforce the laws in any way they see fit.
My two months on that grand jury did more to lower my opinion of most cops, and to diminish my faith in our judicial system, than any other single experience in my 58 years.
There is a wise saying that goes something like "a society is measured not by how fairly it treats its' best citizens but how it treats its' worst"
And, you're right, we did only see the one's where they found something. We didn't see the one's that were hassled and, finding nothing, were "let go". Doesn't matter though, we'll get 'em next time, right! Gettin' the bad guys off the street is what it's all about! Get the hell out of the car and shut up!
You guys seem to think that because a cop is going after "bad guys", they should have carte blanche to try and enforce the laws in any way they see fit.
My two months on that grand jury did more to lower my opinion of most cops, and to diminish my faith in our judicial system, than any other single experience in my 58 years.
There is a wise saying that goes something like "a society is measured not by how fairly it treats its' best citizens but how it treats its' worst"
Maybe you should choose a less dangerous line of work. CCW disclosure doesn't make you safer; it merely quiets your inner fears. The Law is not a tool for the psychological benefit of private citizens or Law Enforcement. It is an instrument of justice, nothing more.
If I have a son or daughter who isn't smart enough to figure out how to get drugs by highschool, I'll consider myself a failure as a parent no matter how much enforcement muscle the government puts into the War on Drugs.
When private citizens read body language and conclude that many cops bend the truth, stretch the truth, or simply lie, either they're mistaken or they have a grudge. When cops do the same thing to catch criminals, it's solid police work.
Originally posted by "Normal45"
So if everyone in the jury knew they Police were lying, how many cases were dismissed or overturned? How many Police Officers were taken off the street for false testimony? If you knew the police were lying and went along, how does that make you any better?
You have no idea how many new and old vehicles I see that have exactly those problems... burnt out tail/signal/brake lights. How about expired registration or obscured license plates? Those things are good for a stop too. Run a light in front of me, or burn through a school zone. You'd be suprised how many people do STUPID things right in front of the Police.
You know, things are funny that way. Sometimes when a moving violation occurs, drugs or weapons are found. Does it make it less wrong for a person who makes a turn without signaling to be stopped for that violation to have an 8 ball on them?
I have stopped people for speeding and other violations. Am I concerned about speeding or faulty equipment? Absolutely. Am I looking for other violatons? You bet I am. That's part of the job. Here's an example...
I pull someone over for speeding. Once stopped, I see an open can of beer in the cupholder. In talking to the driver, I detect the strong odor of an alcoholic beverage on their breath. The driver has no DL and expired insurance. Tell me "Normal45" how many violations are there based on the initial speeding stop? Tell me, what should I do?
Posted by "Normal45"
Well, I'm truly sorry the experience left you that bitter. However, I'd be willing to bet that just because you don't think things were done the way you think they should have been, they were perfectly legal and yes, good police work. Perhaps you'd be happier in another country. I hear Canada is nice this time of year.... cold but nice. Kick Alec Baldwin in the jewels for me.
So if everyone in the jury knew they Police were lying, how many cases were dismissed or overturned? How many Police Officers were taken off the street for false testimony? If you knew the police were lying and went along, how does that make you any better?
You have no idea how many new and old vehicles I see that have exactly those problems... burnt out tail/signal/brake lights. How about expired registration or obscured license plates? Those things are good for a stop too. Run a light in front of me, or burn through a school zone. You'd be suprised how many people do STUPID things right in front of the Police.
You know, things are funny that way. Sometimes when a moving violation occurs, drugs or weapons are found. Does it make it less wrong for a person who makes a turn without signaling to be stopped for that violation to have an 8 ball on them?
I have stopped people for speeding and other violations. Am I concerned about speeding or faulty equipment? Absolutely. Am I looking for other violatons? You bet I am. That's part of the job. Here's an example...
I pull someone over for speeding. Once stopped, I see an open can of beer in the cupholder. In talking to the driver, I detect the strong odor of an alcoholic beverage on their breath. The driver has no DL and expired insurance. Tell me "Normal45" how many violations are there based on the initial speeding stop? Tell me, what should I do?
Posted by "Normal45"
Well, I'm truly sorry the experience left you that bitter. However, I'd be willing to bet that just because you don't think things were done the way you think they should have been, they were perfectly legal and yes, good police work. Perhaps you'd be happier in another country. I hear Canada is nice this time of year.... cold but nice. Kick Alec Baldwin in the jewels for me.
I have to say this thread has been very enlighting! In the perfect world most of you guys seem to live in, all cops are just trying to serve the public. They never see an older car driven by someone who "just doesn't look right" and find some way to harrass the driver. They always tell the truth, no matter what. They never abuse their power.
By the way Phillip, how do you know I went along? With 22 members on a grand jury, and only a simple majority needed for an inditement (sp), that leaves plenty of no votes.
And Tyme, it doesn't take a whole lotta body language reading when the cop snickers. But, you know, the person did have the dope, no matter how it was found, and most people, like you guys, believe the end justifys the means.
There have been some very public instances where people were released from prison after many years when DNA cleared them. Some were there mistakenly, some were there because of of false evidence or accusations. But, hey, what's a couple mistakes, right? Our intentions were good.
I have no grudge against cops. Never had more than a rare traffic ticket. Yet, I'm not alone in the belief that most cops stretch the truth on a regular basis. I don't have any friends who are cops. I DO have friends who deal with cops on a regular basis and these friends agree with me. A couple of them REALLY don't like cops. Has to do with the bully boy personality that, I suppose, it takes to be a cop. Gotta enjoy the chase, mixing it up with the perps, smack 'em around a little, you know? Let 'em know who's boss!
And Phillip, you proved my point. Disagree with a cop? If I can't arrest you for it then get the hell outta' my country. And you carry a gun and stop people on deserted highways? That's really scary!
By the way Phillip, how do you know I went along? With 22 members on a grand jury, and only a simple majority needed for an inditement (sp), that leaves plenty of no votes.
And Tyme, it doesn't take a whole lotta body language reading when the cop snickers. But, you know, the person did have the dope, no matter how it was found, and most people, like you guys, believe the end justifys the means.
There have been some very public instances where people were released from prison after many years when DNA cleared them. Some were there mistakenly, some were there because of of false evidence or accusations. But, hey, what's a couple mistakes, right? Our intentions were good.
I have no grudge against cops. Never had more than a rare traffic ticket. Yet, I'm not alone in the belief that most cops stretch the truth on a regular basis. I don't have any friends who are cops. I DO have friends who deal with cops on a regular basis and these friends agree with me. A couple of them REALLY don't like cops. Has to do with the bully boy personality that, I suppose, it takes to be a cop. Gotta enjoy the chase, mixing it up with the perps, smack 'em around a little, you know? Let 'em know who's boss!
And Phillip, you proved my point. Disagree with a cop? If I can't arrest you for it then get the hell outta' my country. And you carry a gun and stop people on deserted highways? That's really scary!
Hunter Rose
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wow... vitirol ad naseum, all ignoring the actual point of the OP: that the cop made the stop in an unsafe manner (approaching WAY too fast, and way too close, while both vehicles were still moving). Maybe y'all need to lighten up a bit?
Harley Quinn
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Unsafe? did he get hurt?
As far as the Original Post goes, I believe it is funny myself. The law clearly states you will wear a helmet.
He gets stopped and it is all about how bad he is treated. How his life was put in danger. OK, I'll bet he was thinking at the time, ''this guy is going to hit me and I don't have on a helmet" LOL...
I for one wish the LEO who stopped him would be able to read this, to realize how the worm has turned.
Did not get a ticket, did not go to jail, did not get run over etc. etc.. Had his magazine removed and told to replace it at a later date, for his and the officers protection.
Think about it.
One of the reason's we find Probable Cause (PC) for the stop, I think that is fair. I have quite a bit of faith in the system except, I believe we are pretty lenient as a rule. Tickets are the general rule, I believe the CHP has the record for Officers KIA. And their designation is Traffic Officer.
Interesting...
Hassle is a word that is a dead giveaway to most of us who read it.
'Law Enforcement', is the correct word. One of the reasons I use it.
HQ
As far as the Original Post goes, I believe it is funny myself. The law clearly states you will wear a helmet.
He gets stopped and it is all about how bad he is treated. How his life was put in danger. OK, I'll bet he was thinking at the time, ''this guy is going to hit me and I don't have on a helmet" LOL...
I for one wish the LEO who stopped him would be able to read this, to realize how the worm has turned.
Did not get a ticket, did not go to jail, did not get run over etc. etc.. Had his magazine removed and told to replace it at a later date, for his and the officers protection.
Think about it.
One of the reason's we find Probable Cause (PC) for the stop, I think that is fair. I have quite a bit of faith in the system except, I believe we are pretty lenient as a rule. Tickets are the general rule, I believe the CHP has the record for Officers KIA. And their designation is Traffic Officer.
Interesting...
Hassle is a word that is a dead giveaway to most of us who read it.
'Law Enforcement', is the correct word. One of the reasons I use it.
HQ
Cmu_Sniper
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I can see now why society is the way it is these days. Ive been a police officer for nearly 10 years and must say it is getting harder and harder to do the job that should be done. I find it alarming that people would complain about the way we get the dope of the streets and knit pick on the procedures of our stops. I do what ever it takes to get the dope of the streets by all means necassary. It doesnt matter if I got 25lbs of Meth out of a vehicle, but all that matters to the person(like the gentlemen on the Grand Jury) on the jury is the method used to stop them. Whether it was a burnt head light or whatever the cause, it got dope of the street. He walks after going to court because Mr.Perfect on the jury didnt like the cause of the stop, Oh well I got the dope of the streets and he still spent time in jail. I still went home that night to my bed while John Q. Dopedealer spent time in jail awaiting trial for Mr.Perfect Juror to let him off because he dispises police and their tactics. Anyway sorry to get off track, just had to comment on that. Yes I would feel alot better for someone to tell me they are carrying a CCW, rather than me finding it and causing me to take action of some sort. It just makes us feel more safe. People have no idea what we go thru as police and yes I know there are alot of bad cops out there, but there are some of us good guys too. So please cut some of us some slack and help us out. Remember most of us are here for you.
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