Do you want a safety on your CCW gun

Do you wnt a safety on your CCW gun

  • No safety

    Votes: 93 56.0%
  • Safety

    Votes: 51 30.7%
  • Revolver that says it all

    Votes: 24 14.5%
  • I can't find ammo

    Votes: 19 11.4%

  • Total voters
    166
I put safety, but it all depends.

I wouldn't choose explicitly for safety or not.

This is ONLY from experiance as an open-carry work gun, but I use/practice for CCW which I plan on starting soon.

I have just made a habit of when I draw the 1911, I swipe down on the safety.....It's habit anymore.

In my opinion a safety or not is a double-edged sword, the reasons stated above. I think it's a MUST for single-actions like the 1911, on the upside, it is a hinderance if somehow the gun was taken from you.
 
I plan to carry my PX4 safety off, half cocked. It's not really "half cocked", more like quarter. It's still DA and a long pull, but it gives the trigger some spring before you start feeling tension. I don't know why but I like the idea of being able to move the trigger before I start pulling. It's like a reminder to think twice when you hit that beginning of trigger pull. Plus, depending on the situation I think that the click of reaching half cock could be distracting (or even give your position away).

This gun has a great safety and will give me ease of mind loading and chambering a round each morning, but it seems akward to try and disengage with your thumb. I think that in a tense situation against a lethal threat, it'd be a dangerous handicap.
 
My revolver doesn't have a safety, so I guess I prefer no to have one

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My concern would not be whether to have a safety or not but having to use TWO different handguns with different "fire systems" on board.

No matter what gun you prefer maybe you should use the same type for similar tasks, ie concealed carry.The guns would be "system friendly" to you!!

If TSHTF and you have a different type gun with the manual safety you may forget to disengage it and in the confusion end up a dead man.

Whatever similar purpose handgun functions you choose I suggest you have similar operating handguns.Seems logical to me!!
 
"Everyone knows when it the SHTF most training goes out the window."

- according to TicMan.

It's a good thing the Navy doesn't feel that way, or I'd have had some serious issues with aircraft engine failures, electrical fires in flight, icing, severe weather encounters, a house fire for that matter.... But, since the Navy told me I'd fall back on training in a crisis, and then trained me to a high standard, well I guess I must have believed them...

Let me think of people I know who had extensive training in their specialties.

Sorry, the guys I know, to include SEALs, Green Berets, Rangers, various feds, cops, pilots, firemen, ER docs and nurses - IE people who run into stressful situations on a fairly routine basis - have all indicated that they very much fall back on training in a crisis.

However, we are talking the kind of training that is repeated under increasing difficulty until it becomes reflex.

So, to modify TicMan's statement so that I can agree with it:

Everyone knows when the SHTF, poor training will go right out the window.

Or, to quote a few drill instructors I've trained under (back in the day, the Marines handled some Navy officer training programs):

We train like we fight, we fight like we train; and

The more we sweat in practice, the less we bleed in war.
 
Everyone knows when it the SHTF most training goes out the window.

Everyone? Thats a bold statement. If this were the case, why train at all?

Appropriate training results (or should result) in "automatic response" or essentially, muscle memory/autonomic response. It stands to reason that, whatever "habits" you are constantly exposing yourself to during your practice sessions are most likely the habits you will resort to, subconsciously, when the SHTF. Appropriate training helps one to identify and apply corrective measures much faster than those who choose to go without.

This is not to say that one can predict and therefore prepare for every possible scenario out there, but it is certainly possible to become adept enough with using various techniques to the point of, essentially, becoming quite effective when under stress. Although, it is possible for one to become so overcome with stress/anxiety that all training is blown out the window, so to speak. This is mental, not physical in nature. Either way, better to strengthen the odds with training than to dismiss it as unnecessary.

The only thing I can think of that goes beyond the skill that comes from repetitive (and proper) training is the ability to adapt/create. Adaptation is, I believe, based on the individual and cannot necessarily be learned through training. Similar to the idea that you can teach someone how to draw and use the tools necessary to that end, but creativity itself is not something that can be taught to any effective degree. In this case, you either have the necessary predisposition or you do not. Regardless, training and the familiarity with the tools can prove to be very useful and it most certainly should be considered necessary if one is to demonstrate any level of proficiency, whether consciously or subconsciously.

If one is unable to acquire the necessary skill/confidence in using a handgun for personal defense (I am speaking of HD here), perhaps the use of a shotgun would be appropriate. However, this weapon also requires a decent amount of proficiency in order to be effective.

If one is not willing or able to acquire at least a basic level of proficiency/confidence level regarding their weapon of choice, he/she should very well consider not using the weapon at all (for PD or HD).
 
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Personally; I believe that those who don't shoot often, should only carry a double action revolver. It is equivalent to the "Al Gore" point and click of the internet. It is the simplest and most reliable of guns. And that is what they should be carrying. Those who practice regularly can definitely take advantage of what semi-autos have to offer.

And while it's fortunate that in real life, the vast majority of people will never have to pull their gun in self defense; it's also unfortunate that so many people either train or at least go through the scenarios in their mind as if they were starring in a Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movie.
 
it's also unfortunate that so many people either train or at least go through the scenarios in their mind as if they were starring in a Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movie.

Agreed. But, going through various scenarios (within the mind) is not bad at all, IMHO. This involves preemptive thinking and planning. Certainly various "thought up" scenarios are unrealistic, but better to think ahead than to not think at all. Not every scenario can be played out in real life. Thus, its up to the mind to fill in the gaps. But, filling in the gaps without knowledge or training.....not so realistic nor beneficial.

In regards to those who dont shoot (or do not shoot often enough to gain even a decent level of proficiency)...Well, they should not own a weapon or at least not use it for HD. I have known of far too many individuals who go out and buy a gun, then load it and guess what....never fire it. This makes absolutely no sense to me. Its like buying a car and never driving it or buying a musical instrument and never learning to play it.
 
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Obviously, there are endless scenarios. And I do believe it is good to try and anticipate certain situations. Mind you I said "Situations" and not "Scenarios". You should know exactly where in your house is the best place to store guns. The place that is safe, yet accessible. Know how to get to an intruder without him cornering you with no way out. You need to practice shooting a lot. Practice shooting while moving. Practice shooting when out of breath. "That is how you will feel if the "Real" thing happens to you.

If people never really practice, then they definitely shouldn't own a gun. They are dangerous to themselves and their families and neighbors.

If people basically have a single gun for self defense; either home or carry; then they really have no business with anything other than a revolver. They need reliability and simplicity. That can ONLY come from a revolver.

"SOME" people really need to stop watching Die Hard and Lethal Weapon movies. You can almost hear their "Bad Ass" attitude in some posts. They need to humble themselves a bit a try and comprehend what it will really be like. Also, the vast majority aren't police, FBI, Secret Service, etc... Pretending that they are just as capable or qualified will get them killed. Just as with martial arts, sports, learning a language, etc.... Take a couple of moves and MASTER THEM and you will be successful. Pretend to be a black belt, pro NBA player, professional linguist, etc... and you'll lose.

With home or self defense, just remember to always know your surroundings. Home defense is easy. Walking the streets isn't always easy. Make sure you ALWAYS have a way out. Make sure you always give the bad guy a way out. If you are outside, always continue to move. Indoors, know your surroundings and know what you have to shield you, yet gives you opportunity. Don't aim the gun at the bad guy unless you are 110% positive that you have no reservations what soever about shooting them. If you pull the weapon, or the bad guy sees the weapon and says screw it and runs out; let him. And if you are willing to pull the trigger, then be willing to KILL the bad guy. You aren't trying to wound someone. You aren't trained or skilled enough to do that. Most of that training isn't even related to the gun anyway. It's being psychologically able to compose yourself in such a way that potentially being shot at doesn't bother you. Most police don't even have that. That is why you shoot for the largest mass area. The chest. And you shoot until the threat is over. Which usually means he's dead.

And most of all, remember that you AREN'T putting your life in the hands or the capabilities of a gun. A gun is just a tool. You are putting your life in YOUR CAPABILITIES. The ability to make sound decisions. We tell the bleeding hearts that guns don't kill people...... People kill people. The same with self defense. No gun EVER saved a person's life. A PERSON saved a PERSON's life. The gun was simply a tool.
 
And while it's fortunate that in real life, the vast majority of people will never have to pull their gun in self defense; it's also unfortunate that so many people either train or at least go through the scenarios in their mind as if they were starring in a Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movie.

From personal experience, the only way to fix that for many is age and maturity, and for the rest of us it takes being shot, shot at, or blown up to get it out of our system :D
 
When carrying my 1911, you bet your life I want the thumb safety, and I want it on. When carrying my SIG or Kahr, I don't miss it one bit.;)
(Trouble is, I don't carry the SIG or Kahr so much anymore:cool:)
 
If someone can't get to condition-0 with their handgun in the time it takes to place their front sight on the target, they shouldn't be allow to carry period.

You don't get to shoot up an entire neighborhood or restaurant just because you're frightened and want your gun to go bang within a half second of touching it.
 
knight0334 said:
It doesn't matter to me.. I've been shooting 32+ years of my 36 years on earth. And carrying over half of my life.

Articulating any safety there is as I draw is burnt into my motor skills.

Exactly. That's why I couldn't vote. There wasn't a block for "It doesn't matter to me one way or the other".
 
It doesn't matter to me.. I've been shooting 32+ years of my 36 years on earth. And carrying over half of my life.

Articulating any safety there is as I draw is burnt into my motor skills.
I know people who have been walking since the age of two, but even they are not immune from making a miss-step or tripping at least once in their adult life.

I've also seen folks who have been tying their shoe laces since they were three years old, but they still screw up the knot at least once in their adult life.

To think that there is simply no way for one to miss deactivating the safety, regardless of the years of experience, ignores the fact that humans are not perfect and sometimes make mistakes.
 
Originally I would have said yes; HOWEVER, I feel perfectly comfortable with my M&P, and no external safetys. So I tend to feel that Glocks, M&Ps, XDs and other similar guns as well as revolvers are perfectly safe to carry, Even without external safetys.
 
By safety if the OP means an EXternal/ Manual- I answer NO THANKS/
However, I like internal safety mechanisms (ie Sig SAUER and Glock)...

+1 to the notion that an external safety lever can get you in trouble fast. A SFPD off duty officer gave his life forgetting to thumb down his 1911 safety. Another argument for carrying off duty what you carry on duty (the dept back then only issued revolvers).
 
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