Do you want a safety on your CCW gun

Do you wnt a safety on your CCW gun

  • No safety

    Votes: 93 56.0%
  • Safety

    Votes: 51 30.7%
  • Revolver that says it all

    Votes: 24 14.5%
  • I can't find ammo

    Votes: 19 11.4%

  • Total voters
    166
Mall Ninjas and Chairborn Rangers can poo poo about thumb safeties all they want and its not gonna change reality.
Reality is, you have a MUCH BETTER CHANCE of winning a gunfight if you have not shot yourself in the foot, groin or ass when the danger starts.
Hence the value of the thumb safety to the thinking man.

That is your opinion, the insults to opposing opinion are not needed. The last, and only, person I know personally to have shot himself in the foot, did so with a pistol equiped with a safety. Mall Ninja you say... no, he was a very well trained, professional.., a member of the FBI HRT. A safety is no guarantee of being safe, nor is a heavy trigger pull for that matter.
 
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Some of my guns have safeties, some don't. It's a software issue not hardware. Training, practice, etc............It's been said several times here but it bears repeating.

That all being said, the older I get the more I appreciate the light weight and point and click simplicity of a good 5 shot revolver........
 
I use both revolvers and auto's with and without safeties. It's not an issue for me. I voted "I can't find ammo". :rolleyes:
 
Safety on your CCW:

Well, my favorite pistol is the 1911 and when I carry it, it is always cocked and locked.

However, I do feel that my other two carry weapons, (Glock 19 and my Kahr MK9) offer quicker response in an emergency as you can just point and shoot. No safeties is better in my personal opinion. They funtion like a revolver, very simple.

Until you have been in a robbery, mugging, etc you really don't know what you would do and simpler is best (most of the time) in these situations. I was robbed a few years back by five thugs in a hotel parking lot. They only had a knife and I completely panicked and forgot everything as they came up from behind me and caught me by surprise. Don't know if I would have remembered to take the safety off if I had been carrying an automatic (wasn't carrying back then). Hard to beat a Glock for carry if you want an automatic.

Note: Really falling in love with my new S&W 442 that I just purchased recently, as it is so small and lightweight. Don't like the +P ammo, but that new Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. FTX bullet works perfect in this little package, (accurate and less recoil).
 
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In tens of thousands of rounds fired from 1911 pistols during training, competition, practice, and informal shooting; I have never had the thumb safety cause a problem.

I have had the grip safety as a problem. On some occasions my grip did not depress the grip safety and the pistol would not fire. Solution to that was to stake it down.

I do not want a pistol with a grip safety or a magazine safety.

I have also used Glocks extensively. I find no significant difference in time from signal to placing a shot on target between the two types of firearms. I may be a couple of a hundredths of a second faster with the 1911. I am a bit more accurate with the 1911.
 
If it's a gun in Double Action mode; e.g. glock, sig, etc.. (Whether by a decocker or a natural DAO); then it is the same concept/principle of a Double Action revolver. No safety is needed. The trigger pull is good enough not to accidentally go off and not to tough to hinder use. However; any gun that has a hammer cocked and ready to go, definitely needs a safety. And even then, I am not fond of a cocked and locked weapon unless it's in your hands preparing to shoot or in a duty/mission scenario where you're on some sort of patrol; either work or at home.
 
I only carry 1911's and revolvers, and believe I'm smart enough to know the difference between the two when I draw, so I use the slide safety on my 1911 (cocked and locked, of course). Disengaging the safety takes no time at all and is an entirely intuitive - nay - instinctual movement (at least with my 1911, other firearms' safeties I've not found quite so). Moreover, the slide safety provides me a small margin of safety should someone disarm me - there's always the chance that person won't be familiar with the 1911 and won't know how to make the weapon ready to fire, and that will give me time to escape or find other means of defending myself.
 
sw99c is what I carry - nice double action trigger pull to start - no need for a safety! It also happens to be the most ergonomic sub compact pistol ever
 
It doesn't matter to me.. I've been shooting 32+ years of my 36 years on earth. And carrying over half of my life.

Articulating any safety there is as I draw is burnt into my motor skills.
 
I carry my XDsc with a round in the chamber and I am perfectly comfortable with the safety features it has without a typical external safety.
 
The argument that "you won't ever miss the safety if you are well trained" is nonsensical. The most well trained human is guaranteed to screw up once or twice, by virtue of their being human. The question is will it happen when it really does matter? Probably not.

I've seen very well trained shooters miss the thumb safety on a 1911 during drills. I've also seen equally well trained people forget to put the safety back on after the drill was completed. It happens. Professional drivers mistime shifts, surgeons mess up sutures, and comedians blow punch lines.
 
The argument that "you won't ever miss the safety if you are well trained" is nonsensical. The most well trained human is guaranteed to screw up once or twice, by virtue of their being human. The question is will it happen when it really does matter? Probably not.

I've seen very well trained shooters miss the thumb safety on a 1911 during drills. I've also seen equally well trained people forget to put the safety back on after the drill was completed. It happens. Professional drivers mistime shifts, surgeons mess up sutures, and comedians blow punch lines.

This has been my experience as well. And how many CWP holders really train on a regular basis? (Not the people on here but the majority) Unless you have lots of training and practice your much better off with a Glock type pistol. Just grab it and pull the trigger when the SHTF. Everyone knows when it the SHTF most training goes out the window.
 
This has been my experience as well. And how many CWP holders really train on a regular basis? (Not the people on here but the majority) Unless you have lots of training and practice your much better off with a Glock type pistol. Just grab it and pull the trigger when the SHTF. Everyone knows when it the SHTF most training goes out the window.

I actually don't think the Glock is the perfect weapon for the untrained. Weapons with a relatively short/easy trigger pull and no manual safety require more thought than the average point and shoot user may give. Revolvers or traditional DA weapons are good in those circumstances.
 
While I generally agree that people will most likely do what they have been trained to do, assuming the training has been thorough and there has been practice as a follow-up. it does not follow that that is necessarily always a good thing. What I am referring to here is that there may be totally unintentional side effects of training. Some of these may be difficult to avoid and might be because of the safety and management issues associated with training, especially with a large number of trainees involved. Others may be minor and completely innocent but are a reflection of other factors associated with simply shooting on a range. However, this is not something new that trainers and graduates are unaware of. Usually it probably won't make much difference.

Moreover, there will probably be different issues for people who are law enforcement officials, soldiers and plain citizens, since they are very likely to be operating under different conditions and, to one degree or another, under different rules and authorities. But mostly everything is the same.

Here are some of the things I am referring to, although mostly they have little to do with the general topic of the thread: shooting at moving targets, taking cover, what to do with an empty magazine, beginning action from other than a standing position, moving, and even choosing not to shoot. Are you required to pick up your brass or do you as a matter of choice anyway?
 
It could get you killed if you have that safety on when you need your gun.

On the flipside, that additional safety could save your life if the "would be" assailant gets hold of your weapon, but is unable to figure out how to take the weapon "off safe."

As I mentioned before, if I were LE I would feel just fine with a manual safety. In fact, I would prefer it. But, for my use (HD), I do not feel it is necessary.

Regardless, as has been mentioned before, manual safety or no, extensive practice is the key. Features, or the lack thereof, mean nothing if one does not take the time to become familiar with them.
 
Didn't vote. When I have my normal primary on me the safety is on (cocked and locked 1911). When my primary is my HKUSP45C, the safety is not on, but the weapon is decocked to double action. When carrying either of my Glocks, well.............
 
I carry a Glock....

If I want it to shoot, I pull the trigger. Simple.

Why would I want something else to have to flip?
 
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