Evan Thomas
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Doc Holliday, I've merged your thread with the existing thread on the deputy's (in)actions. We don't need multiple threads on the same topic.
I heard this for the first time this afternoon, from "a guy" at the range. So now we have at least three, maybe four different stories. I wonder if we'll ever get the truth.Sharkbite said:I have heard from numerous people that the BC Deputies were ordered to hold back. Can anyone site a source for that info?
If true, that leads the discussion into other areas besides personal cowardice.
As I posted earlier in post 77, every policy I have ever read that involves an officer putting themselves in danger or using force involves a conditional adverb clause. They never tell the officer they absolutely have to do it. Ask for your local department's policy concerning school shootings and it will almost certainly be stated in a similar manner.reportedly the county's protocol is actually that the first officer on the scene may enter and engage.
Actually, last night I called up a friend who is a retired police chief in mid-state Washington and I asked him what the protocol is for the departments he served in. Now that he's retired, he's a trainer for several departments in his area. He didn't beat around the bush at all -- he said the policy is that the first man on the scene enters and takes out the shooter.johnwilliamson062 said:As I posted earlier in post 77, every policy I have ever read that involves an officer putting themselves in danger or using force involves a conditional adverb clause. They never tell the officer they absolutely have to do it. Ask for your local department's policy concerning school shootings and it will almost certainly be stated in a similar manner.
That sums it up very concisely.armoredman said:It is the excuse for our elected officials to renege on promises made and sponsor legislation to continue the unilateral disarmament ploy. The government fails at every single level to protect the vulnerable, and shifts blame seamlessly on the millions of people who had nothing to do with it.
Actually the other police officers that WERE on the scene (Coral Springs) are very critical of the school officer and other BCSO officers. So was the medical first responder critical of them not following their joint training for responding to such events.As I posted earlier in post 77, every policy I have ever read that involves an officer putting themselves in danger or using force involves a conditional adverb clause. They never tell the officer they absolutely have to do it. Ask for your local department's policy concerning school shootings and it will almost certainly be stated in a similar manner.
I don't think anyone has much of any idea as to what actually happened. Just a lot of stone throwing going on.
Excellent post! So many gun owners buy into the progressives' talking points in their rush to be "reasonable" and forget common sense and founding principles. Instead of "arming teachers" we should be saying what you are, Get rid of gun-free zones, let any adult on campus be armed if they choose to, following the same rules as any other person in the state that carries in other places. They should not be required to defend students, but even if several teachers, admins, janitors stood their ground armed to defend themselves it would be more deterrent than hiding under desks.Right. Because I have a pistol on me 24/7 I'm a cop, or a soldier?
I do my job, I'm a father and a husband, and carrying a pistol has nothing to do with anything except I have an option in a life or death situation that everyone who doesn't carry a pistol doesn't have. There is nothing more to it than that.
A teacher carrying doesn't become something else. They simply have an option to do something other than flee, hide and listen to their students die if goblins attack. This idea that you have to be a ninja to carry or use a firearm is BRAND NEW, and flies in the face of hundreds of years of our history.
I don't get it. Get rid of gun free zones, and you're half way there to mitigating the problem. That's certainly not a "solution" by itself, but only a child looks for cure all remedies in a complex world.
Fox News has learned that in the critical moments as first responding deputies were searching for an active shooter on the property of Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school, a commanding officer on scene apparently ordered some of the initial responders to “stage” and set up a “perimeter” outside -- instead of immediately ordering or allowing officers to rush in to neutralize the suspect, Nikolas Cruz.
Not a disadvantage, but at almost every range one might encounter n a high School the body armor used by police in the US is probably not going to have much effect at all on a rifle round without trauma plates.But maybe someone can lay out exactly how big an advantage it is and why it's suicidal to challenge anyone with a handgun vs a rifle.
I don't know exactly how to quantify the advantage.But maybe someone can lay out exactly how big an advantage it is and why it's suicidal to challenge anyone with a handgun vs a rifle.
150 feet down a hallway is a long shot with a pistol, but pretty short with a rifle.
Hmm I guess im odd ball then because at 25 feet I see no advantage to landing shots with a long gun and am faster with a handgun and at that range I see no particular accurate advantage.. but I guess that's just me.Anyone who has shot both rifles and pistols from the standing position should have a pretty good idea of the skill level difference required to make good hits, especially when shooting rapidly. The performance difference becomes larger and larger as the distance stretches, but even at closer distances, it's still apparent.
Also, long guns tend to be significantly more lethal than pistols. I think the survival rate for pistol injuries is something like 80% while for long guns it's much lower--perhaps 20%.
I don't think anyone would expect him to step out into a hall way and present a juicy target, challenging the shooter old west sho-down style.. That's stupid no matter what gun you have.
But im thinking to my self.. inside the building how big of an area was he in?
I prefer a handgun for home defense, so if we're in say 25feet range I don't really feel outgunned if the BG has a rifle.. it's not like im planning to trade shots with them in the open to see who can tear the biggest chunk out of each other.