CZ-75 vs Beretta 92?

Which one would you buy?

  • Beretta 92

    Votes: 52 37.4%

  • CZ-75

    Votes: 87 62.6%
  • Total voters
    139
  • Poll closed .
The CZ trigger felt marginally better for me, so I took the 75 over the Beretta. Recoil is very manageable, but I wasn't thrilled about the finish (my wedding ring rubbed it off after a single range session ), and I'm not too big on the DA/SAtrigger system in general. Ended up selling it.

FYI my old gunsmith had to drill into the slide to put the new front sight on (Tijicon Tough and Bright). He said this was necessary, but I'm not sure I believe him...
 
Shed said:
The CZ trigger felt marginally better for me, so I took the 75 over the Beretta. Recoil is very manageable, but I wasn't thrilled about the finish (my wedding ring rubbed it off after a single range session ), and I'm not too big on the DA/SAtrigger system in general. Ended up selling it.
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I guess you had the decocker version. The regular CZ 75 can be kept in single action with the safety applied. The CZ 75 is also available in single action only as well.
 
If I'm running a DA/SA pistol and want to use it in DA mode for the first shot...

I am getting a decocker...

Sure, I can manually decock the pistol... And I have done so many times in my life without issue yet... I am not inclined to tempt fate any more than absolutely necessary.


Real men use the appropriate tool for the job, and don't feel the need to flaunt living dangerously (or stupidly) just to prove their manhood... Or womanhood... As appropriate. :cool:
 
Being an early production Beretta 92S, will the slide come off and hit me in the brain?? :eek:

Are these safe to shoot a good bit or will I get killed?? :confused:
 
Don't quote me but iirc the story correctly it was a number of things that came together to create the perfect storm for the broken slide legend.

It's true some did break, I don't recall exactly when in the time line that occurred (I believe it was the SB model, Model after S with trigger guard release, Forerunner to the adopted "F" (not FS), But it went something like this.

There was a few civilian reports but Vast majority of breaks was reported by military users.
IIRC this was namely special ops units.. I seem to recall the saying "you're not a seal till you've tasted Italian steel" was toss around.

It was later traced back to early models (after m9 adoption) using French made slides with flawed metallurgy.
Coupled with high round count of hotter sub gun ammo.

The difference between the F and FS model is the FS changed the hammer pin to a large headed one, a slot was machined into the slide so that if the slide was to break it would prevent it from coming off the frame rearward.

Im not sure exactly what models and range was affected but I think the S is safe, It appears to be limited to the short lived SB / and early F models I think.

Total number of actual reported broken slides I think was low.. like 2 dozen maybe.
Often blown out of proportion It was a blip in the timeline nothing more.

Im reciting the story from memory so if someone knows better feel free to point out corrections.
 
bricz75 said:
People were hurt that badly?
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/sigh. I'd direct people to Joe's post above. I was being facetious.

Model I think you're placing an inordinate amount of importance in what are scattered reports on the internet. First it was the "manliness" of carrying a pistol with a decocker, and frankly I don't get why you'd care what someone else thinks about your masculinity, and now it is will you be significantly injured by the pistol you've already bought (maybe a case for researching a product before you buy it). Granted the second concern is based more in safety and that I understand more readily.

Yes these things happened and yes some changes were made in later models. But if you read about those reports you'd see how relatively rare they were, as Joe explained. In addition the pistols in question have been coming into the country for some time now and I have yet to see reports of slides hitting faces.

At some point you have to leave the internet alone before it consumes you and instead go out there and enjoy the pistol you bought. This is true for everyone. Even as someone that has posted as much on this forum as I have over these years I've often found just forming my own opinion rather than listening to the noise is a much more enjoyable way of life.


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From my recollection... And as was mentioned...

It was a problem encountered using very hot ammo, likely stuff made for sub guns.

Kind of like the issues with the early M16... Changes to the powder in the ammo, and not training on cleaning or providing cleaning kits... Not the gun in and of itself, was to blame.


Basically, stick with your average run of the mill range fodder ammo, and standard pressure hollow point loads... And you are unlikely to experience any issues.
 
Being a CZ guy & shooting CZ'S for a long time I have many CZ'S like the 75BD,compact & P-01. I just got to shoot a Beretta,92 a few days ago. A nice gun for sure but trigger real heavy big for 9mm imo. I would take the CZ,75 any day over the Beretta 92. I still think the 92 is a nice gun but 2nd the the CZ,75. IMO.
 
bricz75 said:
People were hurt that badly?
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Again quoting from memory I don't think injury was too serious.. I seem to remember a few people lost a couple teeth and needed stitches.

I don't know if said teeth was able to be put back in or lost completely.
nothing life threatening but still pretty nasty I guess.

But it wasn't wide spread I think total cases was less then 2 dozen total.
Im sure there was more then 2 dozen guns with the faulty slides but I wouldn't worry to much about it.

If you have a SB or a very early "F" I'd be worried cause I think those was the problematic guns.
Or if you had a early production m9 but I don't think they sold m9 marked guns to the public back then, so those guns are likely long gone.

Apparently there was an investigation into it so I imagine they hunted down the affected m9's.

The problem with the slides is something was wrong with the metallurgy and they was more brittle then they should have been, coupled with hot ammo.. they broke.

I was once told you can check your slide by tapping the barrel against it (while it's field stripped) if it give off a ring it's good, otherwise one side has a crack in it..

I don't do this personally though.

If you do find a crack it will nearly always be where the locking block lugs fit into the slide, that's where it's the thinnest.

Again though, I wouldn't worry about it.
You know how it is in the gun world, everything gets exaggerated and blown out of proportion.
 
I was being facetious, and I don't need that explained to me. The underlying message is that they're both proven classics, and there's no right or wrong answer. (God, it sucks to have to diagram a joke.)
 
Model12Win
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Cannot believe there's not a "Both" option. Just can't believe it!
Well Brown Stone some people can't afford both. It's one or the other for some people.
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Actually, that's where the beauty of the current 92S deals come into play.

I won one about 10 days ago on gunboker, for $247. This makes my 2nd 92, the first being a screaming hot deal a few years back from J&G (LAPD 92FS with faded trijicon night sights for $299).

I got my first CZ 75 a few years back from Robertson Trading Post, wanna say $319, for a pre B with box, a year before I got that Beretta. Got my 2nd last year from Coles Distributing for $305.

All 4 of these guns are great shooters and can dress up pretty easy. My son has laid claim to the 2nd CZ and the 92S, so you could say I was being proactive in keeping mine.

I actually prefer the CZ (the first one to be precise), but it's not a blowout over the Berettas.

Concede to the addiction :D, get a clean 92S for cheap while you can, and lay in wait for the CZ to come along.

If all you can afford is one, you won't beat the value of a sub-$300 Beretta either.
 
JoeSixpack said:
Don't quote me but iirc the story correctly it was a number of things that came together to create the perfect storm for the broken slide legend.

It's true some did break, I don't recall exactly when in the time line that occurred (I believe it was the SB model, Model after S with trigger guard release, Forerunner to the adopted "F" (not FS), But it went something like this.

There was a few civilian reports but Vast majority of breaks was reported by military users.
IIRC this was namely special ops units.. I seem to recall the saying "you're not a seal till you've tasted Italian steel" was toss around.

It was later traced back to early models (after m9 adoption) using French made slides with flawed metallurgy.
Coupled with high round count of hotter sub gun ammo.

The difference between the F and FS model is the FS changed the hammer pin to a large headed one, a slot was machined into the slide so that if the slide was to break it would prevent it from coming off the frame rearward.

Im not sure exactly what models and range was affected but I think the S is safe, It appears to be limited to the short lived SB / and early F models I think.

Total number of actual reported broken slides I think was low.. like 2 dozen maybe.
Often blown out of proportion It was a blip in the timeline nothing more.

Im reciting the story from memory so if someone knows better feel free to point out corrections.
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yeah, it wasn't the 92S in the first place, and the 92FS was created as a result, to prevent any chance of this.

The metallurgy issue does strike a note of familiarity... as I recall they weren't your regular Italian made Berettas. Might have been French as stated, I think I had heard it was US made (something to do with lowball military contracts and ability to make your guns here, not import them).
 
I would go CZ 75 all the way and did. I did a head to head comparison of both and was fortunate enough to have a range that rented both near me at the time. This was back when CZs were lesser known and about half the price of a Beretta. The ergonomics are better on the CZ. It feels better and smaller in the hand and shoots more accurately in my hands. CZs have been around a while and have plenty of aftermarket support. I was never a huge fan of the Beretta, but obviously that's my opinion.
 
The failed French slides were blank contract overruns from the Gendarmie contract Beretta had won there. The slides were rollmarked, finished and put on to US contract M9 pistols to meet early requirements as the US factory was spun up. The French slides contained trace contaminant elements in the steel alloy that embrittled that particular batch. All such slides were recalled.

Never has so much BS hung around so long for fewer than five ancient incidents, most of which injured nobody.
 
Gats Italian said:
The failed French slides were blank contract overruns from the Gendarmie contract Beretta had won there. The slides were rollmarked, finished and put on to US contract M9 pistols to meet early requirements as the US factory was spun up. The French slides contained trace contaminant elements in the steel alloy that embrittled that particular batch. All such slides were recalled.

Never has so much BS hung around so long for fewer than five ancient incidents, most of which injured nobody.
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So it's safe to shoot one of these spaghetti pistols?
 
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