CZ-75 vs Beretta 92?

Which one would you buy?

  • Beretta 92

    Votes: 52 37.4%

  • CZ-75

    Votes: 87 62.6%
  • Total voters
    139
  • Poll closed .
bricz75 said:
High round shooting over a period of years or in one range session? The CZ 75 frame is steel whereas the Beretta is aluminum. I heard of CZ slide stops breaking but can't recall anything else.
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CZ frame is basically timeless. Steel-on-steel. The issue is in time periods of months/years at multiple-thousand round counts, CZs are more likely, in my personal observation, to shear slide releases and bust springs, especially trigger springs. The competition-shooter market will openly acknowledge this and fortunately the aftermarket can be a good degree of help.

No argument that in the long haul the steel frame outlasts the aluminum, but if I can afford to fire 20-30K rounds (longer with mindful recoil spring and locking block changes at the proper intervals) I can afford to buy another 92.

I'm not implying that the 75 is poor quality, fragile, anything like that. It's one of the better guns on the market. I just like Berettas better. :)


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My viewpoint on the various fullsize metal DA/SA's: the CZ, Beretta, Sig and 3rd Gen S&W are all very good guns objectively (I have all 4 brands).

For JUST ME, I would rank them
  1. CZ
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  2. Beretta
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  3. S&W
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  4. Sig
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If I had to choose just one, CZ is my tops. I find them all to be quality, with different features and shooting characteristics, and price vs value comes into play... you might not think of Sig as a 4th place gun, but when you consider what you may get from the others at the same price point, it does drop back.
 
scoobysnacker, I have a few P series guns that I like well enough but I have to agree that they're just not $200 better than Beretta or CZ.

Now, my near-perfect condition 2007 226R 9mm with green fiberoptic that I snagged on a no-reserve GunBroker auction for the grand sum of $450? THAT thing was well worth the cash. :D


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^Heel as opposed to "heal". If you "heal" something, you "cure" it. Nothing to worry about nor in the least bit important, just bored I guess on this rainy Sunday afternoon...;)
 
TunnelRat said:
Unless my memory is very hazy, the Beretta 92 is a short recoil gun. It does use a different method to lock/unlock the barrel as compared to the CZ-75, but it's not delayed gas blowback.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79400
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Actually it's both. I did however make a mistake by calling it delayed GAS blowback (something about rifles must be rattling around in my brain lol.) However, it is a delayed blowback, but it's a mechanical force that needs to be overcome and not gas.

I'll fix my post.
 
Still cracked frames aren't the weak point on the Beretta, it's the locking blocks.. this has greatly improved over time as Beretta kept improving that part and I think the 3rd Gen's are rated some where around 35k rounds expected service life.
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35k for the locking block or life of the firearm?


I always feed from the mag, never drop a rd in the barrel.

I have replaced the extractors on both, because they both broke off the claw.
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Did the claw break off due to dropping a round in the barrel? I heard of CZ extractors lasting 30k rounds.
 
However, it is a delayed blowback, but it's a mechanical force that needs to be overcome and not gas.
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Anything I can find labels it short recoil, not delayed blowback. But frankly that's a minor point of your well done review so I don't want to belabor the point.
 
bricz75 said:
35k for the locking block or life of the firearm?
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Did the claw break off due to dropping a round in the barrel? I heard of CZ extractors lasting 30k rounds.
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Locking block.
When cleaning the gun check the wings that go into the slide.. that's where they'll break, if you see a crack swap it out asap they can cause a lot of issues if they break while firing.

It use to be a major issue with early block design but don't hear to much about it with the latest generation of blocks (3rd I believe).
It's still the weak point in the design though.

The frame actually does have a service life also but I don't recall off hand the number.
It was established during the military tests the gun was still functional when it ended but established a baseline service life expectancy of the frame.

Beretta actually says in the manual you can load the gun by inserting a round and closing the slide, the extractor will jump the rim just fine.

It's how I load mine after cleaning so I don't have to mess with topping off the mag.

EDIT: scratch that last bit about loading the Beretta I see now bricz was quoting about the CZ.
 
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JoeSixpack said:
Locking block.
When cleaning the gun check the wings that go into the slide.. that's where they'll break, if you see a crack swap it out asap they can cause a lot of issues if they break while firing.

It use to be a major issue with early block design but don't hear to much about it with the latest generation of blocks (3rd I believe).
It's still the weak point in the design though.

The frame actually does have a service life also but I don't recall off hand the number.
It was established during the military tests the gun was still functional when it ended but established a baseline service life expectancy of the frame.

Beretta actually says in the manual you can load the gun by inserting a round and closing the slide, the extractor will jump the rim just fine.

It's how I load mine after cleaning so I don't have to mess with topping off the mag.
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Very cool, thanks for the intel. I'll be sure to watch for cracks or damage to that block.
 
TunnelRat said:
Anything I can find labels it short recoil, not delayed blowback. But frankly that's a minor point of your well done review so I don't want to belabor the point.
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Sorry, not trying to beat a dead horse, however, in most descriptions I've seen advertised of the gun, it says short recoil, delayed blowback, etc. etc. Like in this ad here in the description.
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...s-black-matte-finish-js92f300-082442027104.do

Beretta themselves calls it a short recoil delayed locking block system. (Under the "Superior Reliability" heading)
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/92-fs-inox/

I believe that this is a key feature of the gun and why it shoots so softly. The delay of the slide mitigates a lot of felt recoil.

Once again, sorry, I just thought that this is relevant.
 
The 75 I had broke the extractor after about 150rds. Sold after I got a replacement extractor, which took a while.
 
I would take a Beretta 92A1 over a standard CZ 75b, however I would take a CZ 75 SA over the 92A1. Both are excellent pistols.
 
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