CZ-75 vs Beretta 92?

Which one would you buy?

  • Beretta 92

    Votes: 52 37.4%

  • CZ-75

    Votes: 87 62.6%
  • Total voters
    139
  • Poll closed .
Here in Europe, the locking system of Beretta 92 is called the "Walther System" and it is the very same system as in Walther P38.

As far as Hollow points are concerned i fed mine with anything I could get, both commercial and reloads, and my 92 never failed once. Usually I use Flat Point bullets in it.

Just my cent
 
I'm wondering what the results of which to buy if the Beretta 92 Compact was a choice as well. It's barrel length is 4.25", compared to 4.7" of the CZ and 4.9" for the full size Beretta. The Compact is shorter as well.

The Beretta Compact holds 13 rounds, which is only 2 less than the traditional Beretta magazine and 3 less than the traditional CZ magazine. Flush fit aftermarket mags for the full sized Beretta and CZ are 18 and 17 rounds respectively, IIRC.
 
Beretta = Feels like Brick in Hand. Flip up safety is less natural.
CZ 75 = Feels like a womans ......., natural flip down safety.

Beretta = accurate enough
CZ 75 = accurate enough to make hits at long ranger.


Beretta = Dated design with flimsy locking block, aluminum frame.
CZ 75 = Timeless browning hi power style lock up, most have steel frames.

Beretta = WEEK
CZ 75 = STRONG

I would look for a CZ75- PO1 with the rail and night sights if you want one of the best self defense house guns ever made. It might be a bit big and heavy for carry duty but they are powder puffs according to the guys that shoot them.
 
I must admit I'm not sure I follow when people call the Beretta dated as compared to the CZ-75. While the Beretta borrows heavily from the P38 I don't find in operation it is significantly behind a CZ-75. Yes it is an older design, but so is the CZ-75. It's not like we're talking smokeless vs. black powder or cap and ball vs. cartridge.
 
I did some research on the CZ-75 BD and it appears many dislike them due to the decocker. They claim it is a crutch and only true shooters choose the CZ-75 with a safety, apparently it makes one more of a man or something?? :confused:

What is so bad about a decocker only pistol if one doesn't plan to ever use the safety anyway?
 
bricz75 said:
I'm wondering what the results of which to buy if the Beretta 92 Compact was a choice as well. It's barrel length is 4.25", compared to 4.7" of the CZ and 4.9" for the full size Beretta. The Compact is shorter as well.

The Beretta Compact holds 13 rounds, which is only 2 less than the traditional Beretta magazine and 3 less than the traditional CZ magazine. Flush fit aftermarket mags for the full sized Beretta and CZ are 18 and 17 rounds respectively, IIRC.
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A centurion might be the solution, compact slide on a fullsize frame.
Unless they restart product, they've been discontinued for a long time, but they do exist.

Taurus use to have one along the same lines called the 917.. sadly it was discontinued before I got around to buying one :/
 
I looked at a thread where a guy was asking between a CZ-75B and the BD.

Pretty much everyone said the BD is for punks and real men don't need no decocker and that they were cool and or tough enough to manually decock with a live round chambered.

I'm not sure, it might have been a CZ fanboy forum but I got the distinct feeling that decockers were heavily looked down upon at least on the CZ-75 BD.
 
Personally, I love both, but I've only owned 92's. Many people find the grips too chubby and think the safety is in an awkward place, which are 100% valid complaints.

Aside from a preference of ergonomics, I think there is a lot of FUD surrounding the 92 resulting from some early design problems that got worked out a long time ago. See here:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/true_story_m9.htm

That said, if I were going to pick an option for someone who needed a pistol for defensive use, I'd choose the 75. The ergonomics are better, and the ability to carry with the hammer cocked and the safety on is a nice compromise between readiness and safety. However, if I wanted to err on the side of safety, I'd choose the 92. Less potential for "oopsies" due to the heavy DA pull and the presence of a dual safety/de-cocker mechanism (with the 75, you pick one or the other). I am also much more accurate with the 92, but that could just be practice.

Though my Beretta's role is solely sport, it can be a good defensive pistol but (IMO) requires some modification and knowledge of the platform. Common mods include installation of a short-reach trigger to mitigate the issue of the fat grip and installing a lighter hammer spring for an easier DA pull (the stock one is HEAVY...20lbs). Wilson combat also offers a one-sided safety to reduce the chance of accidental engagement while racking the slide.

If you're going to go with the Beretta, I highly recommend getting a Vertec (if you can find one) or the M9A3 (if Beretta has come to their senses and priced it reasonably). These feature straight, 1911 style grips and removable front sights. The M9A3 also accommodates quick-change grips and an over-center safety lever to reduce the chance of accidental safety engagement.

Also, one more thing that may or may not make a difference to you. Beretta customer service can be spotty; if something goes wrong, you're paying to send it in, and the repair may not be quick. On the bright side, on this particular Beretta product, there isn't a whole heck of a lot to break past easily replaceable, consumable parts (e.g., recoil spring), so you'll probably never need to make use of their repair services.
 
Pretty much everyone said the BD is for punks and real men don't need no decocker and that they were cool and or tough enough to manually decock with a live round chambered.

I'm not sure, it might have been a CZ fanboy forum but I got the distinct feeling that decockers were heavily looked down upon at least on the CZ-75 BD.
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Well if it's on an internet forum it must be true.
 
De-cockers. I don't have any use for them, yet I like the CZ-75D PCR enough to own one. I don't have a problem with it, and use it on this gun. Why not? It is there, and it works fine. If you want one, at least CZ offers several models with de-cockers. It does make the mechanism a little more complex, but so what.
 
So if one had no interest in carrying cocked n' locked, and preferred a DA first shot for nightstand use, what's wrong with a decocker?
 
Nothing. You're putting way too much stock in one internet thread full of bluster. If you haven't learned by know, when you see talk of "real men" it's generally from blowhards.
 
Pilot said:
De-cockers. I don't have any use for them, yet I like the CZ-75D PCR enough to own one. I don't have a problem with it, and use it on this gun.
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I'd like the PCR model even more if they had a non-decocker option like the regular CZ 75. There is the CZ 75 Compact without the decocker but it is all steel and almost as heavy as the full size CZ 75.
 
rc said:
Beretta = Feels like Brick in Hand. Flip up safety is less natural.
CZ 75 = Feels like a womans ......., natural flip down safety.

Beretta = accurate enough
CZ 75 = accurate enough to make hits at long ranger.


Beretta = Dated design with flimsy locking block, aluminum frame.
CZ 75 = Timeless browning hi power style lock up, most have steel frames.

Beretta = WEEK
CZ 75 = STRONG

I would look for a CZ75- PO1 with the rail and night sights if you want one of the best self defense house guns ever made. It might be a bit big and heavy for carry duty but they are powder puffs according to the guys that shoot them.
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Flip up safety is less natural. I wouldn't use it or have it converted to decocker only.

Accuracy....Hmmm...I thought the Beretta had a slight edge there.

The P01 has an aluminum frame, IIRC. A full size steel CZ 75 with rail and night sights would be an even better house gun. I'm having trouble recalling if they have that configuration. SP something or other comes to mind.
 
Not a fair poll for me - seven Berettas but I've never been able to get the CZ in my state...and I've always wanted the P01....I wish.

Laura
 
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