Click It or Ticket Mobilization

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I sure hope doctors don't treat people the way some here would. The only preference it should be based on is who is mre likely to live, and perhaps I could let 'was one in a criminal act' slip by if there had to be a tie breaker.
 
Fault in an auto accident and seatbelt useage should not be criteria on who will recieve medical attention any more than whether they vote Republican or Democrat, or were driving east or west, or riding in a Buick or a Ford.
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So suppose you had a case where a family of four was driving down the road (all wearing their seatbelts) and a guy who was high on methamphetemine drove left of center and hit them head-on. The guy who went left of center is critically injured and may or may not live. A kid in the other car is critically injured and may or may not live. The EMS bring the at-fault guy in 5 minutes sooner because it took longer to extricate the 5 year-old kid. You'd work on the Meth guy first because he came in first?

You don't REALLY have that good of an idea how critically injured people are until you do X-rays, CAT scans, etc, right?? And that takes time, and you can only do one at a time?
 
I'll say it,

As a Us citizen, a LEO has a moral obligation to NOT enforce illeagle laws.

You know the difference!

If you don't, retire...quit...or put on a brown shirt.
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Who determines what law is illegal? It takes the Supreme Court months to decide, and you've got people here who say case law doesn't count. But we've been over that already. And what illegal law were they following at abu ghrab?
 
You'd work on the Meth guy first because he came in first?
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So you are suggesting that you tell the EMS to leave the Meth guy in the hall because you are expecting a critically injured kid in 5 minutes?

Again, triage is decided by survivability and available resources, not personal prejudice.

You don't REALLY have that good of an idea how critically injured people are until you do X-rays, CAT scans, etc, right??
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Actually, the survivability index of a patient is NOT determined by radiology. Radiology often simply confirms what is already suspected rather than discover new injuries. ER personel who depend that much on radiology have a high mortality rate.

You cannot ethically decide where to place life saving resources based on prejudice. You continually insert your own prejudices into scenerios. If you make decisions in an ER based on your personal prejudice, then it is your job to tell the widow and kids that you let daddy die because you harbor prejudice and he fell into the unfortunate group that dies as the result of your prejudice.

You have not responded to either of my scenerios regarding a cop with a bullet in his chest. So I ask you again, should the shot and bleeding cop be forced to wait for treatment because he gave the ER physician a $150 ticket in the Click it or Ticket Program? Does the cop hold special status in your mind that places him ahead of a child, another Daddy, or even perhaps my fishing buddy?
 
"You can't tell me what to do! You can't You can't You can't You can't...........!"

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I think that well represents a certain segment of society.
 
Just wanted to put in my $.02.

You are a MORON if you do not wear a seatbelt. However, only a communist government would make it law.
 
"You can't tell me what to do! You can't You can't You can't You can't...........!"
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Truth is, you can't tell me what to do. You can bully me into temporary compliance by issuing me a ticket or arresting me, but the truth is that if I find a law obnoxious, I ignore it, and there's not a thing you or anyone else can do about that. If I find a law agreeable, I obey it, but not because I have a threat of punishment hanging over me, but because I agree with the law. But nothing you do or say can force me to obey a law, and that's the simple truth. I know that I am the only person morally responsible for my actions, and I live my life accordingly, and no amount of coercion or brow-beating will change that.

In my opinion, the lack of respect for the law that is predominant in our country stems from the fact that so many laws get passed which should never get passed. If you want people to respect the law, you have to make respectable laws. As things stand, so many things are against the law that your average citizen can't spend a day without breaking one or more of them unintentionally or unknowingly. The worst kinds of laws are the ones that cannot be enforced effectively, or understood and obeyed objectively. It erodes respect both for lawgivers and for the enforcers of the laws.

Once we move away from giving in to the desire to get the power to tell others what to do, and we only criminalize actions that violate someone else's rights by fraud or force, then we will have the groundwork for a just society were the law gets respect.
 
Truth is, you can't tell me what to do. You can bully me into temporary compliance by issuing me a ticket or arresting me, but the truth is that if I find a law obnoxious, I ignore it, and there's not a thing you or anyone else can do about that.
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So you're a big fan of income tax are you? Estate tax? Property Tax??
 
So you are suggesting that you tell the EMS to leave the Meth guy in the hall because you are expecting a critically injured kid in 5 minutes?
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If you only have one trauma room, they can start to work on him in the hall, but when the kid gets there, he gets priority.

If you make decisions in an ER based on your personal prejudice, then it is your job to tell the widow and kids that you let daddy die because you harbor prejudice and he fell into the unfortunate group that dies as the result of your prejudice.
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I'd have no problem telling them daddy died because he was high and went left of center into a family of 4.

So I ask you again, should the shot and bleeding cop be forced to wait for treatment because he gave the ER physician a $150 ticket in the Click it or Ticket Program?
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No, the doctor should do his job with the same discretion you expect from cops. You know, taking into acount what is "right" and "just". It's not right that a drunk theoretically be able to use resources that his victim would be better off benefitting from.
 
I'd have no problem telling them daddy died because he was high and went left of center into a family of 4.
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Try "Your Daddy died because I felt my services were more justifiably placed elsewhere."

Prejudice comes in forms other than religion race and nationality. Deciding who lives and dies based on your personal feelings of what is right and just rather than objective clinical criteria is neither right nor just.

It's not right that a drunk theoretically be able to use resources that his victim would be better off benefitting from.
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So if a criminal shot a drunk off duty cop, (and was shot himself) you would agree with saving the criminal, right?
 
XavierBreath:
So you are suggesting that you tell the EMS to leave the Meth guy in the hall because you are expecting a critically injured kid in 5 minutes?

FrankDrebin:
If you only have one trauma room, they can start to work on him in the hall, but when the kid gets there, he gets priority.

XavierBreath:
If you make decisions in an ER based on your personal prejudice, then it is your job to tell the widow and kids that you let daddy die because you harbor prejudice and he fell into the unfortunate group that dies as the result of your prejudice.

FrankDrebin:
I'd have no problem telling them daddy died because he was high and went left of center into a family of 4.
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Frank, it's pretty clear that you can't trust doctors to do the "right" thing. For some reason, they just won't ignore the Hippocratic Oath - you know, that thing that's like "the law for doctors."
 
Seat Belts

A texas Farm Truck exempts the driver (only) from wearing a seat belt, formerly a 3/4 ton truck did likewise.
I wear one out of habit and my own safety like I wore a helmet when riding a motorcycle when that was repealed for adults;

This buckle up clicket or ticket horse poop is just to get revenue, anybody with good sense will wear their seat belt and the others are just going a short distance or forget are being "revenued". If the so and sos are that broke why don't they appeal for money donations from the public?
 
Hey, I wouldn't mind if they passed a law saying you could ride on the hood, as long as you had proof of insurance or assets to show that you or your family would not be a burden to the rest of the citizens if you get seriously injured or killed.

Because everybody likes to go to the party, but no one wants to be around to help clean up.
 
No, the doctor should do his job with the same discretion you expect from cops. You know, taking into acount what is "right" and "just". It's not right that a drunk theoretically be able to use resources that his victim would be better off benefitting from.
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The doctor's job is to keep people from dying. Not to make decisions on who he is going to let die because he didn't like their lifestyle choices.

BTW, how many hopsitals anymore will simply stop treating one person when another one that comes in that they see more fit to save? The whole argument is pretty much moot, as most hospitals have the ability to handel more than one patient at one time.
 
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