Spotted Owl
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Sure. If you're transporting the firearms legally, don't worry about it. You could just as easily be stopped for another traffic violation unrelated to seatbelts.
Click It or Ticket Mobilization
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XavierBreath
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Now back to our regularly scheduled program............. 
Rich Lucibella
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Reread the original post. It talked about Seat Belt Roadblocks and the possibility of having guns in the truck (legally, I presume). It concludes, "Seems like we keep losing freedoms".
Did you think the point was unconstitutional stops or inconvenienced range days?
Rich
Reread the original post. It talked about Seat Belt Roadblocks and the possibility of having guns in the truck (legally, I presume). It concludes, "Seems like we keep losing freedoms".
Did you think the point was unconstitutional stops or inconvenienced range days?
Rich
Mandatory seat belt usage is just another angle LE & Govt is using to steer the sheeple down the road to total compliance. IMHO,it should be like helmets on a motorcycle. If you have enough insurance and dont want to wear either one, then its your choice. I have past LE experience and am sad to say that at least in some parts of the country the mission of LE is not "to serve & protect", as much as it is "revenue generation". Tickets like this, or taking a thousand $$ of a suspected drug mule take precedence over the mundane daily duties. Don't get me wrong, if they catch someone holding, selling or transporting drugs, then as far as I'm concerned get a rope. Right now I have a situation, as I have some civil papers that need served on a person that had been eluding LE & I have on good authority is getting ready to skip town. I have tracked this individual down twice and called LE only to be told that they were "busy".
If I was this person & had done what she had done, I would be writing this from jail.
Thanx for letting me rant.
If I was this person & had done what she had done, I would be writing this from jail.
Thanx for letting me rant.
Nvg
I read it and heard ole Rush comment on it today ,and have wondered about the super cameras and computers in the Police cruisers,and now nvg.
Maybe we shoul all e mail them up there and ask them ,see what the policy and equip ment etc.
We used to be called conspiracy wackos when this stuff was brought up.
Visit a place like stopcops.com or something ,some one suggested at the coffe shop.
Cameras at intersections,road blocks,in car camers and voice recorders,instant puters ,thermal cameras, and now NVD for seat belt violaters, where will it end?
I will read a while on this one. Holy sh!&
I read it and heard ole Rush comment on it today ,and have wondered about the super cameras and computers in the Police cruisers,and now nvg.
Maybe we shoul all e mail them up there and ask them ,see what the policy and equip ment etc.
We used to be called conspiracy wackos when this stuff was brought up.
Visit a place like stopcops.com or something ,some one suggested at the coffe shop.
Cameras at intersections,road blocks,in car camers and voice recorders,instant puters ,thermal cameras, and now NVD for seat belt violaters, where will it end?
I will read a while on this one. Holy sh!&
XavierBreath
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I read it as "I can't go to the range because a LEO might stop me and find out that I have guns in my car." It seemed to me that the poster wasn't quite sure what might transpire if that were to happen. I'm asked the same question almost weekly by people new to firearms.
NVG:
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0605/232859.html
google news:
http://news.google.com/news?q=night...n&lr=&scoring=d&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&start=40
(if you're not used to google news and you search for "night vision seat belt" yourself, you have to scroll past the 20-30 article block of AP article clones... newspapers around the country all pick up on the story and you get dozens of identical articles in the goonews listings. The good local news stories are right before that block, before AP picks up the story. Sometimes there will be a local news followup after the AP articles, but not always.)
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0605/232859.html
google news:
http://news.google.com/news?q=night...n&lr=&scoring=d&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&start=40
(if you're not used to google news and you search for "night vision seat belt" yourself, you have to scroll past the 20-30 article block of AP article clones... newspapers around the country all pick up on the story and you get dozens of identical articles in the goonews listings. The good local news stories are right before that block, before AP picks up the story. Sometimes there will be a local news followup after the AP articles, but not always.)
Click it or ticket
Its just revenuing at its worst, the Insurance lobbyists and their bribes in the House and Senate to the always open arms of the lawmakers, then to the States, if you don't do this or that Highway funds will be cut off.
Then the States and their revenuing, $131 for the first offence and more for the second and so on, the County gets a cut and on and one while the methamphetimine users and cooker roll on and on. Thats Texas for instance.
About the same fine for an open alcohol container.
The DWIs or DUIs as it is known in other states is set at
.08 blood alcohol content. which in some cases is a little stinko but in other cases completely unreasonable.
Its just revenuing at its worst, the Insurance lobbyists and their bribes in the House and Senate to the always open arms of the lawmakers, then to the States, if you don't do this or that Highway funds will be cut off.
Then the States and their revenuing, $131 for the first offence and more for the second and so on, the County gets a cut and on and one while the methamphetimine users and cooker roll on and on. Thats Texas for instance.
About the same fine for an open alcohol container.
The DWIs or DUIs as it is known in other states is set at
.08 blood alcohol content. which in some cases is a little stinko but in other cases completely unreasonable.
CarbineCaleb
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Why do they have those ponderous safety regulations, like building and fire codes?
- If I want to use 24 gauge aluminium wiring in my house, I will!
- If I want to use lead pipes, and have an open sewer in backyard I will!
- If I want to mount a woodstove on my oil tank, I will!
- If I want to nail all my windows and doors shut, I will!
- Why use expensive siding when I can have this economical asbestos?
- Why use fiberglass insulation when ordinary newspaper does the trick?
- I have all kinds of other clever and patriotic moneysaving tricks...
If George Washington could see these stairs meeting uniform building codes dictated by those facists in Washington he'd roll over in his grave!!! Dammed building Nazis are bringing this great Nation to it's knees!!! The jackbooted FBI are going to be in our living rooms with automatic weapons enforcing stupid building laws next year I tell you!!! The once mighty and highprofit funeral industry is in its death throes due to all this government enforced safety!!! Ohh, the humanity!!! *wringing hands*
- If I want to use 24 gauge aluminium wiring in my house, I will!
- If I want to use lead pipes, and have an open sewer in backyard I will!
- If I want to mount a woodstove on my oil tank, I will!
- If I want to nail all my windows and doors shut, I will!
- Why use expensive siding when I can have this economical asbestos?
- Why use fiberglass insulation when ordinary newspaper does the trick?
- I have all kinds of other clever and patriotic moneysaving tricks...
If George Washington could see these stairs meeting uniform building codes dictated by those facists in Washington he'd roll over in his grave!!! Dammed building Nazis are bringing this great Nation to it's knees!!! The jackbooted FBI are going to be in our living rooms with automatic weapons enforcing stupid building laws next year I tell you!!! The once mighty and highprofit funeral industry is in its death throes due to all this government enforced safety!!! Ohh, the humanity!!! *wringing hands*
Can someone tell me this...
Why does it seem that a preponderance of people who post on this thread seemingly hell bent on removing a safety barrier between you and your family and serious injury, disfigurement, maiming and death?
I can not understand this. This isn't about your rights. This isn't about infringement. This isn't about being a police state.
This is about giving everyone the tools they need TO HOPEFULLY ESCAPE SERIOUS INJURY IN AN ACCIDENT.
Think about this: You are in a steel cocoon that hits something. Without a restraint system you will continue to move forward--at whaever the vehicle speed is at the time of the collision--until YOU hit the inside of the vehicle.
You can dice it up any way you want--but here's the truth.
IF YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LAW ABOUT WEARING SEATBELTS, YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR THE "RIGHT" TO DIE A TERRIBLE, PAINFUL DEATH.
And I don't care about your politics--if you are fighting for the right to be torn to bits, you're kind of stupid. Flame away, it doesn't matter.
Why does it seem that a preponderance of people who post on this thread seemingly hell bent on removing a safety barrier between you and your family and serious injury, disfigurement, maiming and death?
I can not understand this. This isn't about your rights. This isn't about infringement. This isn't about being a police state.
This is about giving everyone the tools they need TO HOPEFULLY ESCAPE SERIOUS INJURY IN AN ACCIDENT.
Think about this: You are in a steel cocoon that hits something. Without a restraint system you will continue to move forward--at whaever the vehicle speed is at the time of the collision--until YOU hit the inside of the vehicle.
You can dice it up any way you want--but here's the truth.
IF YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE LAW ABOUT WEARING SEATBELTS, YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR THE "RIGHT" TO DIE A TERRIBLE, PAINFUL DEATH.
And I don't care about your politics--if you are fighting for the right to be torn to bits, you're kind of stupid. Flame away, it doesn't matter.
Powderman,
Ya, why don't we just give up all thinking of how we wish to run our lives and live in a padded room, have only good food served to us which we eat with our fingers (knives and forks being dangerous you know) and when we are allowed to go to work are escorted by government agents, placed in another padded room, and only allowed to do as we are told.
Tools are used by those that wish to use them. If you make the use of the seatbeat, as a tool, to be used to hopefully escape serious injury then why don't we mandate that everyone carry's a gun so the same will happen? Why is one tool more important than another that it has to be mandatory and if we don't use it, is punishable? Yet if we use another tool for the same purpose, without a permit in most states, is punisable?
Tell me why mandating a tool to be used is good, yet demonizing another for the same purpose is wrong.
Com'n Powderman, you can do better then that.
I wear a seatbelt because I want to. I also disabled the air bag in my car (that my friends, is actually against federal law, go figure) because I am afraid of it. I wasn't the smartest thing in physics but when you put the numbers together, hitting something at 70mph (which is the rate your body will be traveling on a sudden stop) and an air bag deploys at 400mph, think about the math on this one. You get busted up more with the bag then you do from the initial accident. And the air bag doesn't stay deployed, as you flip or spin.
You know, if we are going into the "for you own good" section here... why don't you just make laws that we live in a padded room, have a computer (most things can be done on a computer, robots can be made to do the rest) and just sit there for our entire lives and we will be safe and the government can say that everything is great and everyone is happy... as long as they don't have any individual thoughts on the subject.
Wayne
Ya, why don't we just give up all thinking of how we wish to run our lives and live in a padded room, have only good food served to us which we eat with our fingers (knives and forks being dangerous you know) and when we are allowed to go to work are escorted by government agents, placed in another padded room, and only allowed to do as we are told.
Tools are used by those that wish to use them. If you make the use of the seatbeat, as a tool, to be used to hopefully escape serious injury then why don't we mandate that everyone carry's a gun so the same will happen? Why is one tool more important than another that it has to be mandatory and if we don't use it, is punishable? Yet if we use another tool for the same purpose, without a permit in most states, is punisable?
Tell me why mandating a tool to be used is good, yet demonizing another for the same purpose is wrong.
Com'n Powderman, you can do better then that.
I wear a seatbelt because I want to. I also disabled the air bag in my car (that my friends, is actually against federal law, go figure) because I am afraid of it. I wasn't the smartest thing in physics but when you put the numbers together, hitting something at 70mph (which is the rate your body will be traveling on a sudden stop) and an air bag deploys at 400mph, think about the math on this one. You get busted up more with the bag then you do from the initial accident. And the air bag doesn't stay deployed, as you flip or spin.
You know, if we are going into the "for you own good" section here... why don't you just make laws that we live in a padded room, have a computer (most things can be done on a computer, robots can be made to do the rest) and just sit there for our entire lives and we will be safe and the government can say that everything is great and everyone is happy... as long as they don't have any individual thoughts on the subject.
Wayne
TheeBadOne
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Having a debate/discussion in absolutes is pointless. This is not an "all or nothing" topic. Few things are.
Protect and Serve. Sometimes that means Protecting you from yourself.
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Protect and Serve. Sometimes that means Protecting you from yourself.
IMHO
That would be more akin to the federal gov't being pressed to allow car manufacturers to install seatbelts.
This is an issue of being told to use something that you may or may not agree with.
BTW, my uncle counted 14 cop cars at one checkpoint yesterday, waiting to write tickets. 14, as in FOURTEEN. Doesn't that seem excessive for a country road? Do they really think they are going to get 14 cars driving by at the same time without belts on?
TheeBadOne
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No, not at one time, but one after another (for speeding most likely. I've seen 8 squads used, and there were enough violations where nobody sat longer than a minute).
XavierBreath
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Powderman, I think you got it wrong. I haven't read a post in this thread that advocates that. I, for example, wear my seatbelt, and make sure my kids do as well. I think you should, as well as Uncle Joe down at the Junction.
However I do not think it should be against the law to have a dissenting opinion from mine. First it's seatbelts for our own good. Then it's guns for our own good. Then it's religion for our own good.
I take care of my kids. I make sure they wear thier seatbelts. That's a Daddy's job, protecting his kids. The State Troopers and the Government ain't my Daddy, nor my kid's Daddy. Why is that so dadgummed hard for you to understand? Don't try to change the argument. It is not an argument about safety. It's an argument about legislating and enforcing behavior. Enforcing behavior is not what the United States was founded on. It is however, what many dictatorships were founded on. Think about it from that perspective huh? Every argument that has been made for the Click it or Ticket program could be applied to guns. Every one.
Marko Kloos
Inactive
Bingo and a-men. Somebody comprehends.
FrankDrebin
Moderator
So you think it should be up to you to decide whether your minor child should or shouldn't wear a seatbelt while you're using a publicly funded roadway?
It's already against the law to let your 4-year-old play with a loaded pistol. How many people are killed every year by accidents with guns? If there were as many kids killed accidentally with guns as there are unbelted in car crashes, I would guess it WOULD be appropriate to have some legislation dealing with idiots who let their kids have unreasonable access to guns.
XavierBreath
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Yes Sir, I do. I am a member of the public who supplies those public funds. I believe my opinion matters. As the father of my child my opinion is second only to God's, my wife's and the child 's once the child is grown. Your opinion and the state's opinion ranks right down there with Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary Clinton.
Care to state the law? Have references? While I do not let children play with loaded weapons, my own children began shooting at age five simply to begin learning gun safety. I'm sorry I did not meet your age requirement of four, but I would like to know if I am a criminal.
Which picture bothers you more Frank?
Rich Lucibella
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One of the major signposts of a growing Police State is the blurring of the line between simple common sense in human behavior and tacit acceptance that it is somehow the government's "mandate" to enforce that notion.
Lots of kids suffocate on plastic bags found in the kitchen; they're poisoned by non-secured chemicals under the sink; they're burned by matches left lying about in the bedroom. What's next, in the "Serve and Protect us from ourselves" March, TBO?
Rich
Lots of kids suffocate on plastic bags found in the kitchen; they're poisoned by non-secured chemicals under the sink; they're burned by matches left lying about in the bedroom. What's next, in the "Serve and Protect us from ourselves" March, TBO?
Rich
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