Click It or Ticket Mobilization

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I wear my seatbelt ... So thats not issue .. What i have a problem with is the cops being overzeolus in looking into car while stopping you if its not a drive by stop... With ccw i can have guns in front seat with me or behind me not locked in the truck ... but according to some cops no you can and its a hassle ...


Espically in a truck where theres no trunk
 
To all, take this and diguest it.

I don't wear my seatbelt when I don't wish to. I turn around at check points, I go out of my way to avoid the cops as possible, when they try to confount me, I get my lawyer on the line, doors locked, lawyer hears all.

That is the secret to people that are LEO's, lawyer on the line. They will back down like a puppy getting whipped for pissing on the wrong spot, with tail between their legs.

I hate lawyers but they come in handy. Put a lawyer up against a LEO and the the LEO will cave live yesterdays dinner. They will shut up and thus the coverup will begin but they won't touch a hair on your head.

Love them or hate them. Pit a LEO against a lawyer and the LEO will bow at any moments time. That happens when you are white. Be gay and the LEO will actually apologize when he tramps on your Rights.

I hate my lawyer, yet because of the abuses of LEO's, I hate them more.

Change my mind why don't ya. I've come out, I'm a faggot that hates my lawyer and hates LEO's more.

Wayne Weaver II (WWII from now on)
 
USP45usp, you must have encountered some dumb, easily intimidated cops.

While I am not a cop, I am involved in law enforcement. One of my favorite on-the-job sports is humbling lawyers when they venture into my corner of the legal world.
 
I'm all for it. I never thought I'd say that. However, there are way too many folks that don't understand basic physics running around without their belts on. Plus, if your decision to not wear the belt co-mingles itself with a nasty accident and you go flying by me, avoiding you could affect me. So there, not wearing your belt COULD affect someone else. Not to mention, if you are in such an accident and buy the farm, you have affected many more folks with your passing.

Wear your belt and let the boys and girls in blue keep enforcing the law.
 
As a medical professional, I have to say that this is one of the most callous and offensive statements I have read in a long time on this forum.
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Well, I was being facetious, but on second thought, why should premium medical care be tied up on a 500 pound, pound-of-bacon-for-breakfast guy? Say your loved one kept in shape all his/her life, was shot, then transported to the local small-town hospital, but the best trauma room doctor was tied up with the bacon eater and your loved one bled out because he/she got the new guy who wasn't nearly as good as the other guy, and died because they had to extend the bacon guy's life for another 6 months?
 
when they try to confount me, I get my lawyer on the line, doors locked, lawyer hears all.

That is the secret to people that are LEO's, lawyer on the line. They will back down like a puppy getting whipped for pissing on the wrong spot, with tail between their legs.
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Oh Wayne, the police don't even need probable cause or reasonable suspicion to get you out of the car on a legitimate traffic stop. If you tried that trick in real life, chances are, if you were in your old pick-up truck with the vent windows, you would be pulled right out of the truck....through the vent window. I don't know any cops who are intimidated by lawyers on the street. As far as the homosexual part, how is the cop on the traffic stop going to know your sexual preference? Who do you think your lawyer appreciates more, the cop, or you, his client? If it weren't for the cop, you wouldn't be giving him any money. The more trouble the cop causes YOU, the more money you pay to your lawyer! Lawyers LOVE us, and will not try to piss us off or intimindate us on the street. They would RATHER have you arrested so they get to come down to get you out of jail, show up at the arraignment, which they really don't have to do, but will show up for $500.00 anyway, show up at the exam, pretrial, etc....Do a few dozen hours of research for you, come up with a plea agreement.....You get the picture. Lawyers WANT us to arrest you Wayne.
 
[Five-point belts and roll cages:] Cost prohibitive and unreasonable.
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That didn't stop the government from mandating first driver-side, then passenger-side airbags, a deployment of which can cost thousands of dollars to repair.

My 2000 Acura 3.2 TL has driver, passenger, and side airbags. Each one costs from $500 to $1000 or more. Here's a webpage illustrating $4,000 worth of repairs to ONLY the airbag system of a 1994 Ford Taurus: http://www.lemurzone.com/airbag/cost.htm

You want to talk about skyrocketing insurance rates? Instead of the medical costs of unbelted drivers, let's for a moment consider the parts and labor prices for replacement of deployed airbag systems.
 
That didn't stop the government from mandating first driver-side, then passenger-side airbags, a deployment of which can cost thousands of dollars to repair.
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Not unreasonable. They save a lot of lives. Many more than 5 point restraints or roll bars would. I rarely see people killed in roll-over crashes because the car wasn't structurally sound and the roof crumpled. On the other hand I've seen a lot of people saved by airbags.
 
Wayne, you're sexual preferences are you're own.

Lawyers don't bother me, there just part of the system i happen to be involved in. After i get my part done it's there turn and my part is going in a telling the truth about what happened in whatever circumstance we are articulating in court.

But i will have to admit, you're one of the first ones here to openly admit to hating the cops, while others here hide behind a thinly veiled guise not having the guts to do so.

The thing about changing your mind. All i can tell you is what i see from my perspective. I don't know what has happened to you to make you so bitter, but i hope you realize someday that the police are not the enemy, as Frank Drebin stated MOST are good folks trying to help and make a difference once in a while.

Take care. 12-34hom.
 
I am a career firefighter and don't wear my seat belt at all times.

I have been wearing it more lately due to the click it or ticket, but not willingly.

I have a major problem with LEO's who use such an ordinance to intrude upon my rights. The probable cause ruse.

One of my LEO buddies has the same line of thinking as me on this but uses the crutch... "its the law and my hands are tied."

BS, the line cops have the moral duty to not enforce unjust laws. Just turn your back on the "infraction" and do the right thing.

Some time the right thing is illeagle.

No one minds the drug dealer getting busted when he was stopped for no seat belt...but get a DUI for a .08, or an open container ticket, etc...and the tune changes.

I listened to the "its agianst the law" drivel a few times , and it makes me realize that "sheeple" sometimes wear badges.

But hating cops as a blanket policy is just as naive as hating jews,blacks,gays etc, because one did you wrong once.
 
Well, I was being facetious, but on second thought, why should premium medical care be tied up on a 500 pound, pound-of-bacon-for-breakfast guy? Say your loved one kept in shape all his/her life, was shot, then transported to the local small-town hospital, but the best trauma room doctor was tied up with the bacon eater and your loved one bled out because he/she got the new guy who wasn't nearly as good as the other guy, and died because they had to extend the bacon guy's life for another 6 months?
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Are you being serious now? Jesus. Of course I'd want my loved one to get treatment over/above/before, whatever it takes. But to suggest that treatment should be decided on the wieght of one's lifestyle...

So because I have smoked cigarettes in my life, a non-smoker get the preffered cancer treatment? Because you carry a gun, made the risky lifestyle choice of being a LEO, a nonpacking citizen gets the preffered liver transplant after he's been shot?

I used to have a lot more respect for you Frank, but reading some of your recent posts has lowered it. You are a stuborn man who would deny others their basic rights, keep yours, and generally think that you know how everyone should live. I don't know that. I don't know how others should live. That's why I don't care what you do unless it directly harms me or my loved ones.

I'm sorry to say but LEOs like you are what has lowered my respect of them as a whole. If you really care about the public image of the LEO you need to sit back and not tell people that you know how to live their lives.

~Wraith

EDIT: By the way, mvpel, thanks for the airbag link.
 
No one minds the drug dealer getting busted when he was stopped for no seat belt...but get a DUI for a .08, or an open container ticket, etc...and the tune changes.
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What do you mean "no one minds"??? Drug laws are immoral and unjust aren't they? I thought we were supposed to turn our backs on that one too? And as a fireman, can you tell me why a developer is mandated, by law, to include smoke alarms and smoke detectors in new residential construction? Shouldn't it be up to the homeowner to decide if he wants to bother with smoke alarms? They're a pain in the butt when they go off and there's no fire....
 
I wear my seat belt. Everyone in my vehicle wears a seat belt or they don't ride. I do this because it is the safe and responsible thing to do, not because I'm under the thumb of the cops.

Those who truly have a bug in the hindparts over this should encourage everyone not to comply, then when ticketed demand a court date and a jury trial. Push it to the Nth degree with as many folks possible. If enough folks perform this act of civil disobedience, the courts would be terminally backlogged.

I don't expect to see it in my lifetime. Its easier to rant on the internet. ;)
 
So because I have smoked cigarettes in my life, a non-smoker get the preffered cancer treatment?
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Can you give me the current guidelines that spell out where you are placed on a trasplant list if you're a smoker and are being considered along with a non-smoker for the next available heart, all other things being equal? How about insurance? Are you going to tell me that people who can pay a lot of cash get the same quality of treatment as people who have an HMO? YOUR profession makes the rules on that one. I don't think doctors work for free in most cases.

Do I think someone who wore a seatbelt should get priority over someone who didn't in a crash that resulted in similar injuries, f a decision had to be made on who to treat first? Absolutely. Actually, if I were in charge, and the injuries were similar, here's what I would base it on if I had to choose between one or the other for first service: Who was at fault, and secondly, who was wearing a seatbelt. What would you base it on?

Do you really think that your profession is predisposed to giving everyone equal treatment? I thought I was beign pretty pragmatic. At least I wasn't basing my decisions on an ability to pay......
 
can you tell me why a developer is mandated, by law, to include smoke alarms and smoke detectors in new residential construction?
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"It's for the children."

Of course, it's actually not - it's for the insurance companies. Mandatory seatbelts, mandatory smoke detectors (and CO2 detectors), and the growing trend of 'black boxes' in cars are all for the benefit of the insurance companies.

Haven't heard about 'black boxes' in cars? They record the car's performance factors (speed, braking, seatbelt use, etc.) on a continuous loop. If you have a wreck, the black box will give up all of the secrets about how fast you were driving, when and how hard you put on the brakes, and so forth. Insurance companies love them because they take all of the uncertainty out of what happened in a wreck. Here is how black boxes work.
 
Frank...

Are you thinking here?
You want docs to determine responsibility for accidents and figure it into their triage decision making proceedure?
You used the phrase 'if I were in charge'...
Perhaps this point of view is why you're not in charge. Findings of fault are for judges and juries, not cops, no docs.
 
gc70 just exposed the whole dirty secret... I suggest everyone read his post.

As for you, Frank, I responding to your example of the "500 pound, pound-of-bacon-for-breakfast guy" (sic).

Or perhaps you can't logically connect arguements.

As for treatment I wouldn't waste time asking how it happened. I'd treat the guy that got there first, or if they both came in at the same time, the one who has a better chance of survival. I don't know what current standards are, if there are any, but that's what I would do.

I'm done with this. You aren't worth my time. I hope you never pull me over because you're going to court with me about my seatbelt violation.
 
Frank...

Are you thinking here?
You want docs to determine responsibility for accidents and figure it into their triage decision making proceedure?
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Probably not...but if a decision had to be made, and the extent of injuries were pretty much the same, and the "at fault" information were available at the time, why not?
 
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