Click It or Ticket Mobilization

[Mike Irwin]

"Its wrong as hell.They shouldnt be allowed to do it.Click it or ticket---this isnt America,its 1939 Germany!"

All together now, let's have a rousing rendition of Deuschland Deuschlan Uber Alles and go kill some Jews...

 

[triggertime]

I always wear my seatbelt. But in TN, the seatbelt law is being abused.

For example, if you're pulled over, for any reason, and release your seat belt to retrieve your registration/proof of insurance from the glove box before the Officer exits his cruiser and walks up to your drivers side window, he will see the movement and ticket you for a seat belt violation regardless whether you reconnect the belt before he reaches your window or not.

Is that fair? Of course not, but it has happened to several people I know.

Personally, since I'm always armed, I glue my hands to the wheel and wait for instructions, which makes this a non-issue. But still...

 

[FrankDrebin]

All together now, let's have a rousing rendition of Deuschland Deuschlan Uber Alles and go kill some Jews...

I prefer "Panzers Rolen In Afrika Korps"

 

[Justin]

Ok, here I go again, just for those of you who evidently missed it the first time:

Just because I oppose the state's enforcing something at the point of a gun does not mean that I of necessity oppose that thing they are enforcing.

This is for Frank, Powderman, and all the others who have continued to blindly assert that those who oppose the "Click it or Ticket" campaign are obviously a bunch of safety-haters who don't wear their seatbelts. Cut it out. You're being deliberately disingenuous and logically fallacious.

As for this:

Its wrong as hell.They shouldnt be allowed to do it.Click it or ticket---this isnt America,its 1939 Germany!

Way to go, pal. Godwin's Law surrenders.

 

[FrankDrebin]

This is for Frank, Powderman, and all the others who have continued to blindly assert that those who oppose the "Click it or Ticket" campaign are obviously a bunch of safety-haters who don't wear their seatbelts. Cut it out. You're being deliberately disingenuous and logically fallacious.

When did I ever say people who oppose enforcement of the law are safety haters, or that they don't wear their seatbelts? You're deliberately putting words in my mouth. While I'm sure a good number of people who oppose enforement of the law are people who don't wear their seatbelts, I never said that I thought all people who oppose the law don't wear seatbelts.

 

[USP45usp]

I have to ask Frank, where does people's Rights come into your frame of mind and the laws that man created become moot?

I bet that I really pissed you off on my post that states that I can get away without wearing a seatbelt didn't it. Because of the age of the car, just irks you to now end doesn't it. I want a true answer here from you.

No money in your departments coffers. No money equals no raise huh.

It's not up to the government, state or federal, to keep me "safe". It is up to me. Why the hell should I, or anyone else, be fined for being stupid? I took out the controls to my air bag so it won't deploy in an accident, which is against some law, but I did it becuase I've seen what air bags do to a person who wouldn't have been hurt during the course of the accident otherwise, would you enforce that law on me?

Frank, what the people here are getting at, and what you really don't understand, is Freedom. Freedom to do stupid things with themselves or their bodies.

My friend, that is what Freedom is. Freedom is to be able to do what you wish and then do again whatever you wish. The only reason that it costs others is that the governments have set up the system where others have to pay for others freedoms.

I have a job that has damn good insurance, so if I do something stupid or what I wish to do, and get hurt, I'm paid up for the medical bills. For what is spent montly for insurance, each person can afford it per month but they wish for their MTV channel and such. They expect others to pay for them and that is what is wrong. Pay as you go is my motto. If you can't afford it then don't live life until you can.

As for the person that posted that it's their "right" to not see such things (the aftermath), there is no "right" to not see it. If they don't wish to see such things, get another job that doesn't present such things. Hey, no one is forcing you to see such things and what right do you have to make people do things so you don't see such things. Get a desk job for crying out loud.

You know Frank and all others, you aren't going to do a damn thing, and can't do a damn thing, to change anyone's behavior or thoughts. Even if I became a felon tomorrow, I could get a gun if I wanted it and I can get all the dope that I could smoke if I really tried. The laws do nothing but make us that are law abiding jump through more hoops, get frustrated, and then get more angry.

All that you are doing is making people more and more angry at the contempt and the disrespect that you and the government is giving to the People. And then you have the nerve to blame everyone else, the civilians, for their responses to the facist remarks that are made by those in a position of authority.

And we all sit here and wonder why the hatered between the classes that always come up, Us vs. Them, attitudes.

/rant

Wayne

 

[Powderman]

Folks, get a grip, willya?

First of all, just how much money do you think ANY jurisdiction makes over NOI's and citations?

Let's take the State of Washington--the City of Tacoma, for example.

The average ticket runs about $150.00. So, let's say that in a given week, 300 tickets are written. That's 45K.

Do you think that any Department that size can run on 45 K a week? Heck, that's barely gas money.

And, that's if the Department gets all the money--which they do NOT.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again--your PROPERTY TAXES, LEVIES AND SPECIAL BONDS pay for your police departments. Why else do you think that you pay taxes on YOUR property, even if you own it free and clear?

Also, safety nazi? Please.

So you insist on the right to a greater chance of becoming a cripple, maimed, or killed? Fine by me. Please! This sounds so RIDICULOUS!!!

Safety belts are there for a reason--to give you a better chance of walking away from an accident. Same thing as a safety on a firearm--when used PROPERLY, it decreases the chance of the thing going off when you don't want it to.

So you don't want to wear a seatbelt. Fine and dandy. Do you, however, insist that your CHILDREN are buckled up when they get in the car? If so, consider this--what kind of example are you setting?

How do you tell your teenaged son or daughter to buckle up when you do not?

But, I guess that I am just spinning my wheels. So here's a final comment.

Insisting on your right to be crippled for the rest of your life, or your right to die a bloody, violent disfiguring death is just plain STUPID.

And if you insist on that so-called right, you're just plain STUPID.

Flame away. Who gives a rip, anyway.

 

[USP45usp]

PD,

I've said it before, and I'll say it again--your PROPERTY TAXES, LEVIES AND SPECIAL BONDS pay for your police departments. Why else do you think that you pay taxes on YOUR property, even if you own it free and clear?

I don't think that we need to pay for the cops. Sheriff and a few deputies, yes, state/federal, no. As for the revenue, you get more than that or the state is saying things that they don't mean. Imagine that, the state legislature lying to us.

So you insist on the right to a greater chance of becoming a cripple, maimed, or killed? Fine by me. Please! This sounds so RIDICULOUS!!!

So how far will you go to protect us from ourselves? It's the freedom to do stupid things that once made up what America was. Who says that it's your job to protect us from ourselves? We tried that and made an amendment which was taken off via an amendment years and years ago. If you feel that you need to "save" the entire human race, you need to just get another job and sit back and enjoy the money that you make.

Safety belts are there for a reason--to give you a better chance of walking away from an accident. Same thing as a safety on a firearm--when used PROPERLY, it decreases the chance of the thing going off when you don't want it to.

Yeah, so what? My 1943 pickup doesn't have safety belts but I will wage my truck against any modern car and that I come out alive any day. It's all a goverment mandated thing, in 1943 there wasn't a call for the government to try to be "nanny" to everyone and there were allot less accidents and deaths due to the pure metal that was between the peoples. And now days, the same goes for those that drive such things, your modern cars don't stand a chance against raw metal and you hate them for it.

And where the hell does it give the governments the reason to tell others what they have to do? Show me. By the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not case law. Hell, if I had to worry about the things that I've done against cast law, I'd be worried, but in reality, I don't give a f...

Wayne

 

[USP45usp]

Insisting on your right to be crippled for the rest of your life, or your right to die a bloody, violent disfiguring death is just plain STUPID.

And if you insist on that so-called right, you're just plain STUPID.

In reality, it is my Right to be stupid, show me where it isn't.

As for your agruement, I guess that anyone that thinks different from you is stupid, and that is your Right to think such, but it isn't you Right to force me or anyone else to your thoughts.

Live with it dude (or dudette, or wanna be dude or dudette, just trying to be PC here), what you think doesn't matter. What happens to those that wish to force you to think as them, doesn't matter, what you wish in life and what happens, doesn't matter.

People will, and always will, do as they please. And when they get busted, it doesn't matter, because they will get, and do, as they please. The end will fall upon us unwashed masses that will treat, and put out, the punishment to these folks, LEO's only being a hinderance to these actions.

The law matters only to those who obey it (which is less and less), the others will do whatever they please. In the long run, it doesn't matter the law or what happens, it will always continue. Just a fact of life.

Wayne

 

[jefnvk]

I think I already explained the difference. More than once. You want me to do it again or can you scroll back? Alcohol checkpoints are NOT to "take breathalyzers". They don't stop every car, or every 10th car, or whatever, and make them take a breathalyzer. That's not how they work

Tell that to my brother, who drove right into one of those. They indeed stopped every car driving down the road. You should know by now that just because it is unconstitional to do something, doesn't stop people.

It also said specifically in the local paper that they would be stopping cars to check. Even gave the areas and times they would be doing it Just because they aren't supposed to, doesn't stop them.

Insisting on your right to be crippled for the rest of your life, or your right to die a bloody, violent disfiguring death is just plain STUPID.

And if you insist on that so-called right, you're just plain STUPID.

So, I suppose you support the War on Drugs? Prohibiton? These are both laws made to save lives. I suppose lots of foods are unhealtyhy for you, we best decide what people are allowed to eat. Smoking? Nothing good comes from that. Might as well ban it. Heck, smart guns could save lives, we might as well support that too. Anyone insisting that we shouldn't have smart guns obviously supports needless bloodshed

 

[FrankDrebin]

I have to ask Frank, where does people's Rights come into your frame of mind and the laws that man created become moot?

Which right did you have in mind?

I bet that I really pissed you off on my post that states that I can get away without wearing a seatbelt didn't it. Because of the age of the car, just irks you to now end doesn't it. I want a true answer here from you.

Uh.....no.....It doesn't irk me in the least.

No money in your departments coffers. No money equals no raise huh.

I already explained that local police depts. make very little revenue from seatbelt tickets.

....but I did it becuase I've seen what air bags do to a person who wouldn't have been hurt during the course of the accident otherwise, would you enforce that law on me?

Which law would that be?

Frank, what the people here are getting at, and what you really don't understand, is Freedom. Freedom to do stupid things with themselves or their bodies.

Sure...as long as I don't have to pay for your choices through increased insurance, uninsured and underinsured motorist pools, a lifetime of care for injuries caused because of your choices, etc...

You know Frank and all others, you aren't going to do a damn thing, and can't do a damn thing, to change anyone's behavior or thoughts.

Actually, seatbelt use has gone way up in areas where it has become a primary offense, and the rate of injury accidents has gone down significantly. If seatbelt use hasn't gone up, it would have ceased to be a primary violation.

 

[Wraith]

This is not the point of the thread... however.

The argument (Frank) that police departments make very little revenue from seatbelt tickets is moot. Why? I make very little money per day... add all the days up that I work and I make a lot of money. Every ticket issued, for every minor break of "the law" adds up. Sure, not much is brought it from seatbelt "violations" but "every little penny helps."

Isn't that what my local PD claims every time they want $100,000 for a new cruiser?

::: ::: :::

USP45usp is dead-on when he spoke about it; +1 for Freedom. We as citizens need to put an end to this control our governments are exerting under the guise of "safety."

~Wraith

 

[jefnvk]

Sure...as long as I don't have to pay for your choices through increased insurance, uninsured and underinsured motorist pools, a lifetime of care for injuries caused because of your choices, etc...

Some uninsired idiots shoot themselves. This costs you money, as you have to pay hospitals to fix them. Do you support banning guns because of this?

Some uninsured people smoke, and have emergencies that they need to go to the hospital for. You have to pay the bill to fix them. Do you want to ban smoking?

Some people will eat a pound of bacon for breakfast. When that uninsured person has a heart attack, you have to pay to fix them. Should we ban bacon?

If you support regulating lifestyle choices to keep your pocketbook, you need to support regulating everything, not just the things you support.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Some uninsired idiots shoot themselves. This costs you money, as you have to pay hospitals to fix them. Do you support banning guns because of this?

Nope, but I'd favor banning guns in the hands of uninspired idiots. I have a right to not be detrimentally affected by an uninspired idiot with a gun.

Some uninsured people smoke, and have emergencies that they need to go to the hospital for. You have to pay the bill to fix them. Do you want to ban smoking?

I'd prefer that their smoking not cost me any money. If I had a choice between their smoking not costing me money and banning smoking, I'd choose the former.

Some people will eat a pound of bacon for breakfast. When that uninsured person has a heart attack, you have to pay to fix them. Should we ban bacon?

No, just give them really crappy medical care so they die.

 

[Smurfslayer]

Frankie,

starexponent.com. I already emailed the reporter and yes, she confirmed that it was not a misstatement or miscue.

Seat belts are a great idea. Personally, if there was a factory option for 5 point belts, I'd pay it. It's quite likely I'll never get a seat belt ticket, nor my passengers.

Regardless of the cost in money, lost health or lives, all of them totalled will pale in comparison to the loss in our liberty this fascilitates.

 

[12-34hom]

Click it or ticket.

USP45usp - having a bad day?

Nobody going to tell me what to do.

Fascinating - a totally parochial attitude.

Seat belt usage will help you grow up - literally.

You can thank me later...

12-34hom.

 

[XavierBreath]

I'm rather shocked that the original poster's question/statement has gone unaddressed in three pages of argument.

I'll post it again.........

stardate: I would hate to get pulled over and have to explain the guns.

Stardate, if you are legally transporting firearms, then you do not have much explaining to do. Know the laws of your area, and abide by them. People transport firearms all the time.

Frank,

No, just give them really crappy medical care so they die.

As a medical professional, I have to say that this is one of the most callous and offensive statements I have read in a long time on this forum. I suppose that you also believe that policemen, firemen and paramedics should not respond to calls to the home of people who do not wear seatbelts?
Dispather: "I'm sorry, our records show you were ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt on November 17,2003. We are unable to respond to your call." I really hope you are joking. Are you suggesting the next time a police officer who has ticketed me shows up in my ER with a bullet or two in his chest, I should just take a lunch break or a smoke break because I found his past behavior costly to my wallet? That is exactly what you are giving me license to do with your statements. "Sorry Bud, you gave me a $127 ticket on July 16, 2002. I do not extract bullets on people who have cost me over $37 in thier entire lifetime. You can seek medical attention at St. Joseph's Hospital in Jefferson Parish. There's a Doc there who has a $150 limit on personal financial insult."

An easy fix would be to simply prevent an insurance company from raising rates on Mr. Jones based on Mr. Smith's behavior. That is the problem. Anything else is just politics, smoke, mirrors and BS. It's just a matter of following the money.

 

[Te Anau]

Well,I guess some of you think its perfectly OK for the government to boss you around in the personal choices you make and thats OK----for you!
I prefer that the government butt out of my life as much as possible.

 

[XavierBreath]

How about we all submit to random frisks on the street as we walk about town? That would be a good idea, too - after all, it might catch criminals with drugs and/or illegal guns.
While we're at it, how about we all submit to twice yearly police "home visits" where they go theough our closets, drawers and cupboards? That's a good idea too - after all, it might catch criminals woth drugs and/or illegal guns.
Both of these examples happen daily in Japan - for the prople's "own good."

This must be new. I have lived in Yokosuka, Atsugi, and Yokohama Japan for a period of 6 years and I have never heard of this. 1987-1994. Do you have sources?

 

[gc70]

Insisting on your right to be crippled for the rest of your life, or your right to die a bloody, violent disfiguring death is just plain STUPID.

That is a 'nanny state' argument. Many people engage in mountain climbing, skydiving, flying ultralights, and other activities that have heightened prospects of substantial personal injury. While I might agree that those activities are 'plain STUPID,' I would also defend the right of people to pursue those activities.

I am not an advocate of the nanny state because I don't know who would make the decisions on what is safe or smart. I might not like the decisions. Heck, whoever made the decisions might even decide that shooting was a stupid, dangerous activity.