Chinese vs Turkish guns!

I would not cast a broad stereotype on Turkey (or China). Our company buys metal fabrications from all over and some of our best suppliers are in Turkey. However, overall, neither country has the level of quality of America. It is to bad we don't manufacture more, but this is our choice.

Regarding the question

And why are all the gun makers going overseas
to import what we should be making ourselves
with our own people?

My opinion is our politicians and business leaders do not invest in manufacturing. Compare us to many Western European countries and you can see how they invest in manufacturing. And yes, they do have labor laws, and environmental laws, same as we do.

My last gun purchase and the one I am trying to make now are based on quality, and both choices, CZ and Browning models of interest, are Western European sourced. Go figure.
 
This forum used to be a place where people could come in and be objective and enjoy discussing firearms. It's turned into a sandlot with all of the "experts" trying to undermine and hijack posts to belittle others over what they buy.

Say what you want, you're singing in a Hurricane. I have and have had and repaired many different firearms for friends and only give my objective opinion, which by the way, for those who payed attention, was regarding a FIELD GRADE shotgun at a price point.

It's a shame this topic has had to be reduced to a sandlot quarrel by folks who clearly choose to be non objective and just plain old redneck with their comments.
 
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JLV, it appears you are the one coming across as a self proclaimed expert. Posters gave their opinion and you say they don't know what they are talking about just because they don't agree with your opinion.
 
Oletymer. with all due respect, read the posts. I did not make anything other than objective remarks and called folks on their stuff ,as always happens here when the imports are talked about, who claim they are junk ,just because of where they come from, with out even using or handling the guns.

What clearly has been done here is that when the OP asked about a truck gun ,it turned into a free flow urine stream contest and shouting match, of which, I am guilty, regarding sweat shops, inferior steels, 100,000 round, longevity and it began merely with an inquiry over a truck gun purchase.

It went from me stating that the Chinese offering being imported by NEF and other concerns, which by the way is part of the same consortium that owns Remington, are of good quality in a filed gradegun and then the flames started and the rants howled.

It's hard for a person to remain objective, after with my own experience and the experiences being shared by others who are buying some of the imports, when people hijack a thread ,and then accuse me of being, childish, a socalled expert, and whatever you may to try to kill a discussion of these decent guns.

You can say what you will, but it is shameful to think that you who have acted with such a nasty regard to folks here when they make an inquiry about these gun, that I'm the bad guy because I call you out due to the fact that it is so easy to dismiss a product because it comes from what ever country that YOU don't like.

I will, in the future not engage in a debate with any of you who that have clearly shown the inability to even show any decency towards a poster who asks about the guns being offered today by Amerian manufacturers

It's not worth the hassle. And I am no means and expert, if I was I wouldn't come in this forum to try to learn as much as I can about ALL make of firearms and try to share with others my objective opinion, which is just that , an opinion, without being rude, as those who have done so in this thread.

It appears that there is a group of you who pile in on folks who discuss imported gun and it's all too obvious.

Hey, it's your forum, do what you want with it. This is my last post on the Firing Line and there are other forums that do show some decency to folks and back up their remarks with experience rather than prejudice.

Keep up the good work, soon it will be just Oneounceload, oltymer, Bigjimp, Laz, Lawyerdaggit, Pathfinder45, sharing their great knowledge and political rants among themselves as people will get disgusted with you remarks and move on to other forums.
 
I don't pile on nobody! I say what I feel! If I could by a computer of American parts for near the same price as this Chinese one, I would buy it!

And I feel left out that I wasn't included in the short list of folks who will be left when we run off all the chinese shotgun lovers:rolleyes::p

Toodles, big fella!
Brent
 
THERE IT IS!!!! It didn't take a whole lot to smoke you out with your true intentions! You stated it and admitted it by your remark!! The Truth comes out. I hope the moderator takes notice because YOU admmitted that you want no comments regarding imported shotguns, What a bunch of swell guys you are! Thanks for revealling to all the extent of your bias and I hope you are proud of showing your true intent towards others who don't fall in lockstep with your views!! I love it when a fool steps on his crank!!!!
 
not really there cowboy......

The OP asked for opinions on those particular guns - opinions were offered; obviously there did not agree with YOUR view, so YOU go on the attack against posters. Oh well, sorry if that gets your undies in a bunch.

As for them being decent guns, that is YOUR opinion, and one not shared by many folks who shoot lots of rounds.

You seem to be the one who has a problem with folks disparaging something you seem to think is well made and reliable.

Oh well, the OP got to see both sides of the coin - and if he has half a brain, he'll digest this stuff, go to other places and follow up to see what even more folks think. Then he can make a better-informed decision for himself
 
Super-Dave,

Before this turned into a finger pointing contest - I presumed you were asking a serious question about what you knew were the lower end lines of shotguns. I think you got some honest feedback on issues with these lower end lines of guns / things to be careful of before you spend your money. I know you've asked questions about the Rem 870 Express, etc ...about reliability...etc .

We all have different perceptions of what quality is. Some guys will shoot 500 shells a year / some guys will shoot 500 shells a week. The question is how much do you need to spend on a shotgun that will last you 10 yrs / and what should it be ? We all have budgets / you have to weigh the recommendations with your budget, your usage, what fits you, etc ...

Will I recommend a Chinese or a Turkish gun / no I really can't because I think you'll be dissapointed in a year or two....

I bought a used Browning Citori Lightning, 12ga, 28" barrels, invector chokes for $ 725 a couple of weeks ago. Its a great starter gun / a gun I'll clean up and pass on to one of my grandkids someday. There are deals out there on good used guns / that are far better than the stuff made in Turkey or China, in my opinion. However, if you buy a Turkish or Chinese made gun - you might be one of the lucky ones that does not have any issues with it - and I hope so if that's the way you go.

But what I do know, is if you spend $500 - $600 on a Browning pump gun / you will be happy with it 30yrs from now. I still have the 2 BPS's I bought in the late 1970's .....and I don't see how you can beat that value / or find a good clean BPS that is used ..... Its a better value than NEF, etc in my opinion. Take Care.
 
Foreign vs Domestic

I wasn't claiming that foreign made shotguns are junk. I'm sure that some models are a lot better than others. I was pointing out that American made shotguns are quite reasonably priced and that America needs Americans to choose American-made products while, where and when they still can. I have been disparaged by one person here for saying this truth. I will admit that my comments have been slightly off topic. On the other hand those that have handled certain foreign made shotguns and declared them to be a POS are right on topic. While I have not made such comments myself, I heartily appreciate them sharing their experience and opinions as being helpful to someone considering a purchase that they will not want to regret. A little friendly argument can be a good thing......but there is no need to get hot-headed about it.
 
I have to confess that my ego and pride got the better of me an I failed to recognize where I am responsible for where I foment discord in these forums. I thought about it for a while and feel like I should apologize to those who I have offended for my remarks. It amazes me that folks can get off topic ,as well as myself and create discord with our opinions.

The reason I'm back is because, like that kid who gets his nose bloodied in the sandlot, I have to stand up and show that there is a willingness to get back into the fray.

To back out is cowardice on my part

I will make my remarks in a manner that shows respect for others and try to be sensitive to those who don't like the way I see things. In the meantime, I make no apologies for my objective observations for what I consider a well made shotgun in whatever form from where ever in the world they come from.
 
Well JLV, with your last post I would say welcome back. We all have opinions and should try to take them at just an opinion.
 
americans like to get crazy with stuff they make themselves price wise.
now think about this the ithaca 37 has 1 action bar and cost 800$ new.
the turkish stevens 350 has dual action bars and cost 260
,idk sales it self id go get a stevens 350 probably a better gun
i dont like fancy wood on a pump thats why god made a sxs
 
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