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It takes about 10 minutes if you don't count the time it takes to actually fill out the little card. 10 Minutes !
CCW Class...How They Have Changed.
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armednfree
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I take and pass an Ohio Peace Officer Training qualification yearly.
This:
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Semi-Auto-Pistol-Qualification.pdf
Irrelevant.
They get much more firearms training and firearms safety training than the vast majority of Police Departments.
That is why you can use your DD214 and Military ID as proof of firearms training in most states that even require some proof of competency in firearms.
Even Communist places like Maryland understand that:
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...ion/Firearms/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx
https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...ion/Firearms/HandgunQualificationLicense.aspx
Aguila Blanca
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The only state I'm aware of that accepts a DD214 as proof of firearms safety training is Florida. I currently hold non-resident permits from five states, and Florida was the only one that accepted my DD214. I'm sure there are others, but I don't think it's accurate to say "most states that require some proof of competency in firearms."davidsog said:
I don't know that I see it as irrelevant. Most people are concealed carrying pistols, not rifles. I've firsthand seen servicemen have issues with using a pistol because of lack of familiarity. Does that mean they're worse than police? That depends on the department. My experience with training with police has shown me a very wide range in terms of skill, as wide as exists in the civilian world.
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Who cares??
The law sees your opinion as irrelevant as do most folks who understand the intent. I have seen first hand LEO's who have issues using a pistol due to lack of familiarity as well.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6729568&postcount=9
Seeing as this is a discussion forum, I care, your approval isn't required for my opinion, and I'm not the only one, it would seem, with that opinion. And given that it seems to be the case that in fact no, not all states and thus not all members of law enforcement accept a DD214 carte blanche, it may be that this "opinion" is shown in the laws of certain localities. And even if it was the law everywhere, that still doesn't remove the right to question it, given that laws are derived from the people.
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Only Florida expedites a CCW application with a DD214. Most states accept it in leu of firearms training.
A Basic Trainee fires more ammunition and receives more firearms training than the majority of LEO's.
https://dd214direct.com/veteran-need-guncc-permit/
If that is what you think was said, OK.
Here is another state not on that list:
http://www.ccw-permit.com/ccw-training-exemptions.htm
Most states require no firearms training at all to get a CCW. Most states that do have a training requirement accept a DD214.
In many states including New York a valid DD214 allows you to apply for a firearms license when younger than age 21 in addition to waiving the requirement for firearms training:
https://www.ny.gov/services/apply-firearms-license
Peoples Republic of California you do not need the firearms training:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscman.pdf
In many states including New York a valid DD214 allows you to apply for a firearms license when younger than age 21 in addition to waiving the requirement for firearms training:
https://www.ny.gov/services/apply-firearms-license
Peoples Republic of California you do not need the firearms training:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscman.pdf
Aguila Blanca
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You posted that before, but you still haven't provided any documentation. Offering a discounted price to veterans is not the same thing as accepting a DD214 as proof of required firearms safety training.davidsog said:
My DD-214, thanks to typical Army efficiency, reflects that I qualified with the M14. However, I never saw an M14 after I finished AIT. My duty weapons were either the M1 Carbine or the M16 rifle, both of which I had to qualify with before I was allowed to carry one. I didn't "qualify" with it, but I also fired the M1911A1 as a member of my battalion's competition shooting team at my CONUS permanent duty station. So my DD-214 doesn't show any handgun training. Florida's state law requires proof of "firearms" safety training, so a DD214 showing only the M14 was acceptable. Many states, however, require proof of handgun safety training.
Let's run down your list and see which states may actually accept a DD-214. I'm using the second part of your list, the part that says, "Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Montana, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin all allow qualified veterans to either take fewer hours of required firearms training courses or skip them all together, depending on the state."
Colorado:
Documentary evidence demonstrating competence with a handgun as specified in section 18-12-203 (1)(h) of the Colorado Revised Statute. (see TRAINING REQUIREMENTS SECTION for further details)
18-12-202.5 "HANDGUN TRAINING CLASS" MEANS:
(a) A LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING FIREARMS SAFETY COURSE;
(b) A FIREARMS SAFETY COURSE OFFERED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, AN INSTITUTION OR ORGANIZATION OR FIREARMS TRAINING SCHOOL, THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND IS TAUGHT BY A CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR; OR
(c) A FIREARMS SAFETY COURSE OR CLASS THAT IS OFFERED AND TAUGHT BY A CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR.
From Colorado's Application Criteria:
Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:
1. evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service,
2. evidence that, at the time the application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor,
3. proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces within the three years preceding submittal of the application, or
4. proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application,
5. a training certificate from a “handgun training class” (see definitions) obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor. In obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have discretion in selecting which handgun training class to complete.
So, for Colorado, not all DD-214s are accepted. All are good if less than three years old, and if more than three years but less than ten years must show pistol qualification. DD-214s older than ten years are not accepted.
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Illinois:
Illinois requires 16 hours of training. A DD-214 may be substituted for "up to" eight ours of the required 16.
"Any remaining hours that the applicant completes must at least cover applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm Instruction as well as Weapons Handling as defined in the statute and administrative rules. The Instructor shall verify the aggregate number of hours for which the applicant provided proof of instruction in Firearms Safety, Basic Principles of Marksmanship, and Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm, based upon a list provided by the Department of accepted training courses, and provide the necessary additional hours of training to equal 16. Applicants must meet the minimums set out in the 16 hour curriculum. The instructor will need to assess and verify the areas on which the applicant was previously trained and modify the blocks of instruction in sections 1, 2, and 3 to cover the remaining requirements. Sections 4 and 5 should remain unaltered."
For Illinois, a DD-214 may be worth something, but not more than 8 hours of the required 16 hours -- and that's up to the discretion of the instructor. A 30-year old DD-214 showing that you qualified on the M16 rifle won't satisfy the requirement for proof of instruction in the Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm.
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Iowa:
Statute: 724.9 Firearm safety training.
1. An applicant for an initial permit to carry weapons shall demonstrate knowledge of firearm safety by any of the following means:
...
4. If firearm safety training is required under this section, evidence of such training may be documented by any of the following:
a. A photocopy of a certificate of completion or any similar document indicating completion of any course or class identified in subsection 1 that was completed within twenty-four months prior to the date of the application.
b. An affidavit from the instructor, school, organization, or group that conducted or taught a course or class identified in subsection 1 that was completed within twenty-four months prior to the date of the application attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant.
c. For personnel released or retired from active duty in the armed forces of the United States, possession of an honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions issued any time prior to the date of the application.
d. For personnel on active duty or serving in one of the national guard or reserve components of the armed forces of the United States, possession of a certificate of completion of basic training with a service record of successful completion of small arms training and qualification issued prior to the date of
the application, or any other official documentation satisfactory to the issuing officer issued prior to the
date of the application.
For Iowa, it appears that a DD-214 is acceptable.
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Kentucky:
From the Kentucky State Police web site http://kentuckystatepolice.org/ccdw/ccdw-home/qualifications/
From the State Police web page on training waivers:
For Kentucky, it appears that the DD-214 is not accepted unless it documents HANDGUN training.
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That's the first four states out of 12 listed. Your assertion was that "most" states accept the DD-214 as proof of firearms safety training. What I've found so far doesn't support that as a blanket assertion. I'm not going to spend more time on it. You made the statement. It's up to you to spell out which of the states accepts the DD-214, and to what extent.
The ball is in your court ...
Aguila Blanca
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There is nothing at the link you provided to suggest that a DD-214 waives the training requirement.davidsog said:
davidsog said:
Aren't you former military? You have to know that "retired" is not the same thing as discharged from active duty. I did one term of enlistment and I have a DD-214 to show for it. I had a long way to go before I would have been eligible to retire.
Longhorn1986
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Back in 1997, not long after it was enacted, I got my Texas CHL. The class was fairly rigorous and took up a full day. In 2000, I moved to a state that didn't allow CC at the time (Ohio). Knowing I would be returning home, I didn't get an Ohio CCW while there. I finally returned and got my Texas LTC in 2016. Man! How things have changed! The half-day class barely covered any of the things I considered critical back in '97, chief among which is non-violent conflict resolution. The shooting aspect wasn't radically different, but I wish they would not have eliminated so much of the cerebral part of carrying a weapon. I unequivocally support the RTKBA, but I also support teaching the accompanying responsibilities just as strongly.
A DD214 is proof of service....
Either you do not know that or are being kind of petty simply because California only service. Kind of a given that you must provide some form (DD214) of proof.
And the DD214 can be used in place of attaining a Firearms Safety Certificate TRAINING in the state of california.
I have NEVER seen a DD214 list "Handgun" Qualifications. Maybe if you did a year or two and have absolutely nothing else to put on it. I bet even then you would have talk very nicely to the clerk she would add it along with your grenade qualification, LMAO.
On serious note, they did change what goes on a DD214 and marksmanship badges are no longer listed.
However, in Kentucky.....
http://www.jcsoky.org/ccdw.htm
Wow, you are wordsmithing. Separation vs Discharge. I was still honorably discharged from period of service or at least I will be by age 60.
An honorable period of service begets an honorable discharge at the end.
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Aguila Blanca
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I'm not wordsmithing. In laws, words have specific meanings. If a law says an exemption is granted to "retired" military, that means people who served long enough to qualify for "retirement." Someone like me, who served one term of enlistment, may have an honorable discharge (which I do), but is not and never will be "retired" military.davidsog said: