Beentown71 said:I do not visit homes where I feel like I NEED to carry because of an increased threat level.
I never go anyplace that I feel I might NEED to carry.
Beentown71 said:I do not visit homes where I feel like I NEED to carry because of an increased threat level.
Matt G at Better & Better Blog said:I remember having a conversation with my liberal buddy in Boy Scouts, at age 14, one evening on a campout. He was shaken when I made my point thusly:
"If you're so afraid of the ability to do harm, then why weren't you afraid that I might slit your throat with my pocketknife or my scatchet while you shared our tent last night?"
"You're scaring me, Matt!"
"Why?!? Because it just occurred to you that I have the ability to do you harm? Nothing has changed about me from five minutes ago, when I was your apparently harmless buddy. You've just realized that I possess the simple capability to hurt you. Now, in fact, I have no intention of ever harming you, and you don't ever have to worry about that from me, even if we stop being friends. But it's going to be a long, scary life for you if you can't get through your head that just because people can, doesn't mean people will. And for the most part, everyone can."
kayla said:I'm also sure there are people who are packing and drinking, packing who set their gun down somewhere and forget about it, people who are packing and on drugs, people who haven't mastered basic safety rules, etc.
I don't think anyone has said you should announce your carry status as you walk in the door.
The overall argument seems to be about whether individual autonomy and authority over one's own property reigns supreme, or whether the 2nd amendment trumps individual property rights.
Pax, that's an interesting idea, ("I'm my own private property"), but I think the King George analogy is false. We are discussing property owners, not monarchies.
It's a false analogy to compare it to your underwear because your underwear will never have an AD or ND. You can be as negligent, ditzed out, forgetful, unfocused, but your underwear are not going to hurt anyone or anything.
Further, there are many people who are anti's and I believe they have a right to not allow guns into their home.
Kayla said:p.s. I don't think anyone has said you should announce your carry status as you walk in the door.
I sure haven't said that!!
MajorWB said:if i knew someone didn't want my guns in their house, i wouldn't do it. i doubt i'd ask them first, though, and i doubt they'd know i was armed.
Kayla said:I have no problem with him being in my home, but I would have a problem with him being armed and in my home.
Kayla said:If I generally know someone conceals, that opens the door for me to ASK them. And, in my life to date, that's how it's worked.
sefner said:HOW do you tell people you are carrying (obviously assuming you chose to do so)? Do you tell just the host? Everyone? Do you mention it ahead of time? Try to ask indirectly?
Do you simply assume permission unless otherwise stated as poptime analogized (which is a word) with the shoe example? Why? What about, as some have mentioned, "politeness"?
What approach works best for MOST people and avoids the MOST confrontation (because all confrontation can't be avoided)?
I don't think anyone has said you should announce your carry status as you walk in the door.
Not trying to fuss with you, Kayla, but how else do you know your host's feelings on the matter? I was particularly addressing those who said they feel they have been rudely treated when someone else carries into their home without advanced permission. There seems no way to gain that permission without bringing up one's status.
Kayla, as a practical matter, you've said you'd be mad if your friends didn't tell you that they were armed. Understandable -- but such a position necessarily implies that they do tell you at some point before they enter your property. When and how are you expecting them to tell you, if not at the door?