Carrying Concealed without CCW in NY

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Low crime rate yes, but if it happens to you, it is 100% you.

I saw that per 100,000 people there were 637 violent crimes last year.

So in a room of 156 people, someone there in the past year was either raped, murdered, robbed or assaulted ! :eek:

So on a daily basis, your risk of needing that gun, is 1 in 57,300.

So every day you leave the house, you have a 0.0000174% chance you will need that gun...

if you leave your house every day, you take that 0.0000174% chance you will need it !

In a year's worth of leaving the house, your chance in a year you would need your gun is 0.006351%

this is one lottery I DONT want to win.

Then the chance of you getting searched and discovered with an illegal carry weapon:

45ACP 1911 buldging at your waist, shoulder holster, printing all over the place has a high chance of giving a cop probable cause to search you..

a P32/P3AT in your pocket in a pocket holster have almost NO Chance of giving a cop probable cause.

So given that your chance of needing the gun is about almost none, and your chance of a cop busting you with the P3AT in your pocket is also almost none, I'd say the decision to carry is a coin toss...

But when I go into the states I am allowed by law to full carry, I CARRY ! Just because it is my consitutional right ! I'd have a glock 19 in a shoulder holster with additional clip, a 5 shot J frame in a OWB at 4:00 with speedloaders in pcket, a P32 in a pocket holster for backup, and just have a heck of a good time feeling like a macho man grinning from ear to ear ! YEEEEEE HA !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
 
Just to be clear: I wasn't recommending the OP or anyone carry with any kind of illegality, no matter what class of offense. I think it's stupid for scores of reasons. After a period carrying under whatever the conditions you are permitted, apply to have them removed. Best advice was that in my view.

I found my own NY county (Erie) was very reasonable and helpful during my own permit-process and gave me helpful advice. I had no sense at any time that anyone was against my successful application.
The reverse was true.
 
Carrying Concealed without CCW in NY
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that was Op's title, just realized: CCW is Concealed Carry Weapon !

"Carrying Concealed without Concealed Carry Weapon in NY" :confused: :D :D

I think there is no law against having an empty holster about your person ! :D

sorry guys, I just thought that was funny.. :rolleyes:
 
Original poster is legal to carry a handgun in NY State, except within the five boroughs of New York City. It's his decision if he chooses to carry his handgun in a manner that would be in "violation" of the non legal restrictions imposed by the issuing authority. If in the highly unlikely event he was found to be carrying a handgun on his person by a LEO, it would be first of all up to that particular LEO whether to make an issue of it, and if so up to the issuing authority as to whether they wish to revoke his license. That is the risk he takes. He takes no legal risk and can not be arrested.

In 20 years of owning a Suffolk County handgun license and having been around and involved with several ranges and gun stores for many years, I have never heard of a single case of a licensee having their permit revoked in this manner. Not that it has not happened, but it has never come up to my knowledge. Understand we are not talking about any kind of brandishing, flashing or threatening use of a handgun. Just someone who may have accidently printed and been reported by John Q Public. The LEO who actually answered the call to respond would have to make the initial judgement and he/she would be the one who would decide how handle the situation at that point. Maybe they might tell you to get going to the range your on your way to. Maybe not. But there is a real risk that the license could be revoked, and that would be a nightmare if you own a lot of handguns. And you are probably not going to get it back.
 
In my county, some people would have to go to the county police dept. and other people would have to go to the county sheriffs dept. (depending on where in the county you live).
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This is a perfect example of the diversity in one county. I am assuming that you live in Suffolk County as I do BILLY1258. The eastern end (Twin Forks) is regulated by the Suffolk County Sheriffs Department. The rest of us go to Pistol Licensing in Yaphank. Upstate has similar separations in agencies that regulate licensing. Each area upstate has it's own set of rules and requirements along with different waiting times and approvals.
 
The only people saying that the poster is going to commit a felony are people that live outside NY STATE and are not familiar with our little oddities
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+1 on this by the way BILLY1258 you are 100% correct. Before you get flamed on it!
 
ShootemDown,

Your numbers don't work, many who carry are at a higher risk due to employment or self employeed businesses. Thats the reason of so many carry permits in the state. Think of the heating guy doing a no heat call at 11pm in a poor section of the city or the pizzia delivery guy who is a favorite target. You couldn't compare his odds to the average joe. The average joe has a choice to be there, many do not.

kenny b
 
Is it just me or is the idea and practice of issuing permits only on the basis of someone having already been attacked/robbed/raped like adding armor to a car after it's been bombed? Defeats the point, don't you think?
 
Is it just me or is the idea and practice of issuing permits only on the basis of someone having already been attacked/robbed/raped like adding armor to a car after it's been bombed? Defeats the point, don't you think?
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Yes it is, you are correct. How about the qualifications for a business carry? You have to deposit a pre-determined amount of CASH within a pre-determined period of time to qualify. When was the last time a crack head put a gun in anyones face and said "pardon me sir, but do you make cash deposits of ______ with the period of __________?"
 
How about the qualifications for a business carry? You have to deposit a pre-determined amount of CASH within a pre-determined period of time to qualify.
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Not true state-wide.
 
What is getting lost here is that there are two New York States.
There is downstate (Long Island, NYC, Westchester) and upstate (everything north of them). Generally, most of upstate is far less restrictive and arbitrary than downstate. NYC is a case unto itself. Suffolk and Nassau counties are where the "restrictions" apply, and where JohnC was referring to. Unless you are a celeb, connected or meet the cash carrying requirements you are not getting an unrestricted license on Long Island. In the current political climate here on LI and general lack of interest in the issue of CCL reform there is no hope of it changing anytime soon.
 
gvf, your conclusion about carry-permit rates is invalid because that statistic for NY includes permits-to-own as well as permits-to-carry.

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A story about gun ownership and a graphic Sunday on Page A1 incorrectly characterized the number of handgun permits for New York residents. The total figure includes residents who have permits to own handguns, not those who have permits to carry them.
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(from http://www2.indystar.com/articles/1/161649-4651-092.html )

(Also, the NY data are from 1998)
 
ViperJon, I believe it is truly impossible for someone outside of Long Island or NYC to understand our restrictions/laws. In much the same (however opposite) way that I can't believe I got my PA permit in about TWO weeks BY MAIL for less than the price of a half tank of gas!

You have to live here to understand the restrictions imposed on us to obtain a permit.

Not true state-wide
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I didn't have to do any such thing.
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GVF I hope you understand we are speaking entirely of Long Island when we make these comments.
 
ViperJon, I believe it is truly impossible for someone outside of Long Island or NYC to understand our restrictions/laws. In much the same (however opposite) way that I can't believe I got my PA permit in about TWO weeks BY MAIL for less than the price of a half tank of gas!
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And such a totally different perspective for two states so close to each other. Imagine walking around Long Island open carrying a handgun. Ha! The thought is incomprehensible. Yet in PA, perfectly legal. No fingerprinting, not even a picture required and I had it in two weeks as well. I'm tempted to drive out to PA just to breathe free air.
 
i was under the assumption that a permit to own is a permit to carry, within restrictions.. say i have a target/hunting license, which is what i'm going to have to apply for anyway.. i was under the assumption i could carry to and from the range, but not elsewhere.
 
I can report to both of you gentlemen (Mygunsjammed and ViperJon) that my family and I just got back from Amish country in September. I can report that the air was fresh. A slight smell of animal dung was present (although oddly refreshing). The only other smell was that of my new leather holster and the sweet smell of a gun metal.:cool:
 
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