Carrying Concealed without CCW in NY

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My license clearly states not valid in Nassau or NYC with out permission of local authorities.

That's a new one on me. I've never heard of any restriction for Nassau County. I carry in Nassau all the time on my way to the ranges there. New York City is very much off limits though. Even with a state issued license, carrying in NY City is a felony.

Overall, NY State is pretty fair with residents and CCW. However, non-residents beware, do not enter NY State with a handgun! It is a felony. Even people that are traveling through the state on there way to somewhere else have been burned. Even if it is locked in a box in the trunk of your car!
 
Know Artical 35 inside out and don't fear the restrictions if your a law abiding citizen, they're put on to help maintain control in the more populated areas.

The "more populated areas" are the ones where people need self defense tools the most. Sorry, but stuff like that presses my activist button. I have to take exception to this apparent support for victim disarmament.

Anybody know what the Sullivan Law is? Anybody know who Sullivan was?
Answering yes to the above should indicate a person enlightened as to the origin and intent of NY gun laws. Like most gangsters Sullivan had no use for arms in the hands of law abiding citizens.

The "most populated areas" contain more law abiding than dishonest folks. I know because I have worked as a SPO in public housing. When we advocate stripping others of their rights because of geography or dare I say demography we advocate our own rights being curtailed.

Anybody know who Dodd was and where he got the GCA of '68 from? Another interesting tidbit explaining the origins of our current laws to "help maintain control of the more populated areas". Dodd's son is still with us, as are the Nazi Laws and the younger Dodd's support of those laws.

Google is our friend. :D Sorry for the drift, tried but could not ignore that one. Don't carry in defiance of the law. When you do that you may protect yourself but you also dump fuel on the fire to disarm us all. Work to change it or move.

I go unarmed everyday. If I went armed and got caught up, that just gives some anti gunner something to point at and use to justify curtailing ownership of defense tools. I am working to change that. It would be easier just to pack and keep my mouth shut, but that's only for me. What about my kids?
 
My license clearly states not valid in Nassau or NYC with out permission of local authorities.

Kennybs plbg are you speaking of a non resident AZ license or your old Erie license?
 
I have never heard of any county in New York issuing a license that was specifically not valid in Nassau county. What county issued it? When was it issued? And what does "without permission of local authorities" mean? I have never heard of Nassau County being lumped in with NYC before in any regard.
 
Elijah7, you're in a dilemma. You want to comply with local laws, but, those laws run afoul with your personal convictions (of which I wholeheartedly agree with). Yes, I am blessed with living in a state that capitulated(finally) to the wishes of the people for a "shall issue" CHL statute. However, short of moving to one of those states, one has to ponder, "Do I want to be carried by six people or tried by twelve?" I don't advocate breaking the law. However, I don't care for jurisdictions that hamper my ability as well as inalienable right to protect me or mine-especially while being a law abiding, tax paying, property owning citizen. Good luck, Amigo, in whatever YOU decide is best for you and your family.
 
Ok. One more time for everyone that has read this far and still hasn't gotten the point. He is not breaking the law carrying his handgun anyplace other than in the areas specifically listed as off limits in the LAW. The restrictions placed on the permit are only enforceable by the issuing judge and the only penalty is revocation of the permit. There is NO CRIMINAL PENALTY. If you have a permit to carry a handgun off your premises then you can carry anywhere it is allowed.
 
I have never heard of any county in New York issuing a license that was specifically not valid in Nassau county. What county issued it? When was it issued? And what does "without permission of local authorities" mean? I have never heard of Nassau County being lumped in with NYC before in any regard

Nor have I . That is why I am interested in knowing from where it was issued.
 
I agree about increasing our level of activism.

Recently I spoke to my NRA instructor who told me that on Long Island there are frequent pro-gun marches somewhere....


would anyone care to find out more details?
 
i'd love to find more details. my grandfather (retired on disability NYC transit pd) carries when he goes to the mall (not the safest mall on the island), and he said that they dont even like issuing his license, which is valid everywhere in the state, even in the city. I really would rather rely on my own knowledge and training (when i receive it), than the cops, who have had to have been called to my house due to punkass vandals, and take 20 minutes. if one of them decides to break in and try something, i dont want to have to wait that long.
 
Kennybs plbg are you speaking of a non resident AZ license or your old Erie license?

No, A NYS license(Erie Co. issued) from the 70's to early 80's. My original license had "not valid in NYC or Nassaue County" It wasn't stamped on, it was written right in the back. The licenses have changed over the years as you update or replace. That is the reason many of my friends won't add firearms to thier permits for fear getting current restrictions put back on. Permits with no restrictions in Erie Co. are now stamped "UNRESTRICTED" not left blank.
But as "Wuchak" has explained Restrictions do not trump the State codes, the person is legal to carry in the state.

Find someone with a 30 year old license and check it out, you'll see what I mean.

My reference to the restrictions being there for control in larger populated areas is they believe it gives them leverage on keeping people in line. It makes it easy for them to revolk your license if your an idiot or a rambo.
I have never heard of anyone getting thier license revolked for carring on a restricted license and acting within the law.

kenny b
 
If you're considering carrying in contravention of the law, just consider this: think back to all those time you were stopped and frisked by police; every one of those times you might have gotten arrested for unlawful carry. Figure the odds.

Or let's say you DO carry anyway, and have to use it. Just because the bad guy who's robbing or assaulting you has checked to be sure there are no cops around to grab him, doesn't mean there will be no cops around to grab you. Remember Bernie Goetz, the "subway shooter?" He got caught because he opened up his mouth - when you do so, YOU will get caught, too.

So breaking the law is a bad thing.
 
Recently I spoke to my NRA instructor who told me that on Long Island there are frequent pro-gun marches somewhere....


would anyone care to find out more details?
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It certainly would not hurt to post that info MYGUNSJAMMED. It looks like this thread has grown some Long Island ears.
 
:barf: I'm not so sympathetic to your plight pal, whoever you really are and whatever your really up to! NYC is one of the most restrictive metropolis's in the USA and as such, the mere possession of a hi-cap magazine on or about your person can in all likelyhood result in D-felony charges for that infraction alone. If like you say, your for real, then do it the right and proper way and follow the law or move yourself, your family and business to a much friendlier gun climate. Personally, I feel your some kind of troll perhaps in the employ of Mr. Bloomberg, and anyone offering up any kind of commentary other than chastisement should be embarassed.......:barf:
 
The deliberations in the Supreme Court will come out positive, we all hope. Then you can use your money to sue NYC for being a legal plug. Carry mace.
 
:eek: Wow is it me or did it get cold in here?

Easy Denali, this is a friendly forum, just educational, intellectual chat.
 
:eek: There's nothing warm or educational about violating NYC's felony firearm statutes however much we might disagree with them. This gentlemen is talking about committing a felony crime and thats all he's talking of.....;)
 
There's nothing warm or educational about violating NYC's felony firearm statutes however much we might disagree with them. This gentlemen is talking about committing a felony crime and thats all he's talking of.....

First of all, the poster is talking about a New York STATE issued license and carrying in the state. No one is talking about carrying inside of New York CITY.

It seems like everyone that has posted here that actually lives in NY STATE is saying the same thing. "If you have NY STATE issued pistol license, you can carry within the state (except NY CITY), but risk loosing your license if you act stupid." You will not go to jail.

The state has put the responsibility of issuing licenses on each county. The county can appoint anyone to do it. It could be a judge, the PD, or a clerk. In my county, some people would have to go to the county police dept. and other people would have to go to the county sheriffs dept. (depending on where in the county you live). The state allows each issuing authority to make up their own rules. They can apply administrative restrictions. The issuing authorities can not create law! Judges, PD, sheriff , and some town clerk do not create laws! The state legislature creates law. The issuing authority can apply restrictions, but there is no law broken if you don't abide by the restrictions. The issuing authority can pull your license from you however.

The only people saying that the poster is going to commit a felony are people that live outside NY STATE and are not familiar with our little oddities :rolleyes:
 
Facts As Opposed To Myths About Ny State

Yes, the above is true.

And while on the subject of hated NYState:

NY State has highest per capita carry-permits of any state in the union.
NYState's crime rate is moderate.
NYC is at the bottom of major cities for violent crime.

So, much for all the myths about correlation of gun control to availability of legal weapons and also to crime. (and no, I am not for outlawing guns; just pointing out realities. AND, uninterested in arguing about them.)

(If interested:


*New York ranks 20th out of the 52 states for crime -

*New York City: on a per-capita basis, New York City now has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. In recent years, FBI data has shown that among the 25 largest American cities, New York ranks the 23rd most dangerous, beaten only by San Diego and San Jose. New York is safer than many smaller cities, too: among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City comes in at 136 -- about the same as Boise, Idaho.

*New York City's homicides have declined 80% since 1990. It had the lowest number last year since records starting being kept.

*New York State is quite high, it may be the highest, rank of handgun permits per 1000 adults. From Indiana Star:

"300,000 Hoosiers have gun permits
Indiana second only to New York in number per 1,000 adult residents, Star survey shows" (2004)


Top 10 states: (2000)
Population 18 years or older-----Carry permits (approx.)-Permits per every 1,000 adults

1. New York/------14,286,350/---------------1,110,150/-----------------------------------77.71

2. Indiana----------4,506,089-----------------302,000--------------------------------------67.2

3. Pennsylvania ---9,358,833-----------------525,600--------------------------------------56.16

4. Washington------4, 300, 678---------------225,200--------------------------------------51.41

5. Connecticut------2,563,877-----------------125,000--------------------------------------48.75

6. Idaho-------------924,923-------------------39,480---------------------------------------42.68

7. Utah-------------1,514,471------------------59,565---------------------------------------39.33

8 Tennessee--------4,290,762------------------160,000-------------------------------------37.29

9 Kentucky---------3,046,951------------------86,200--------------------------------------28.29

10 Florida-----------12,336,038-----------------332,400-------------------------------------26.95)
 
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