Thunderhawk88
Moderator
Mattro & Justme... +1
Why on earth would you confront people who appeared to be committing a kidnapping without drawing your gun???
"Two bg's capable of doing a serious felony (like kidnapping) are very likely armed. It is crazy to yell at them w/o gun drawn and allow them the element of suprise. They could draw and shoot you before you see it coming.
but whether or not you would involve your firearm when rendering aide to a person in trouble if no other weapon of any kind were present.
Are you saying if you weren't armed at that moment you wouldn't help?
No weapon is visable. Nothing resembling a weapon ever shows itself. The Perps are skinny kids.
You do make good points. That's part of why I love the discussion of these boards where you can think out the full ramifications of situations and get "outside the box" input that might not otherwise come up.
I would help by calling 911, making a statement to the police, etc. But if I saw no weapons, I wouldn't feel right about drawing on them.
Are you saying if you weren't armed at that moment you wouldn't help? I have often said that firearms, handguns in particular are mere tools. They are not sources of power nor are they instruments to carry out moral actions. Handguns are no replacement for courage. They are there to sever a purpose, and that purpose is to defend. In the case of a CCW gun, the handgun in question is NOT intended to be an offensive weapon, it is a defensive tool.
I personally would render aide regardless if I was armed at the time or not, and even if I were armed at the time, I do not feel the level of danger while approaching the situation to assess the problem high enough to warrent drawing my gun. IF, and only if the situation escalated to the point where the perps were to produce a weapon of their own, or took an action that needed an instant response on my part would I ever resort to my gun, or any other weapon for that matter.
What is it? Are you people afraid to approach a situation like that on your own unarmed? Surely a firearm would give you the upper hand in a situation where the presence of another weapon hasn't been established, and in real life there is no such thing as a "Fair" fight (in other words you should always strive to get the advantage in any confrontation) but drawing your gun before knowing what is going on is pre-mature, and quite frankly a little cowardly in my opinion.
It goes back to what I was saying about how a firearm should never be a substitute for courage.
It doesn't take a pshchologist to see that people like mattro rely on their guns as a source of reinforced security. I'm speaking metally, not physically. Here you are, all galliant in wanting to save this little girl from being abducted, but harboring thoughts like :"
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Two bg's capable of doing a serious felony (like kidnapping) are very likely armed. It is crazy to yell at them w/o gun drawn and allow them the element of suprise. They could draw and shoot you before you see it coming.
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Again...how would you react to this exact same situation if you weren't armed at the time?
Would you stand by and hope someone else was armed?
So, all I am doing here is voicing my opinion. It takes allot more than a screaming little girl and a couple of skinny boys to bring me to the point where I would even think about drawing a gun. Why? BECAUSE I AM NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. It is their job to dive into situations like that head first and because of the nature of their job
There are the criminals that want to do good people harm, and there are Law Enforcement Agencies established to deter such things from happening and somewhere inbetween I own a gun to take up the slack. I see my defensive guns as just that: defensive. They are not "Assault" weapons, they are defensive tools.
Not all situations will be like this. Of course they won't. But drawing your weapon for every little thing is foolish and irresponisble.
I wouldn't draw before establishing a DEFINATE threat in a situation like that, not for the Hot Hollywood actress, the girl in the vid, or anyone else I didn't know personally for that matter. For me it's an issue of self dicipline and control. But that is my personal reason.
fs2k: Are you saying if you weren't armed at that moment you wouldn't help?
fs2k: In the case of a CCW gun, the handgun in question is NOT intended to be an offensive weapon, it is a defensive tool.
When someone says they will do something, you guys call it 'hero' or 'john wayne'. I called the lack of action 'cowardess'. My goal would be to stop a crime, being a hero is nowhere on my top priorities. I dont put my gun on everyday thinking maybe today I can be a hero. I put it on thinking, maybe today this gun will give me the odds to reverse the desires of some puke to prey on innocent people (or me).You want to be a Hero, but only at the least amount of risk to yourself and only if the odds were stacked in your favor.
No i'm notYou are outside of the law.
no I can't.You could face jail time just for having it in your possesion, never mind if you had to actually use it.
My self discipline and control would have my weapon out immediately when I cath 2 bg in the middle of a violent felony.I wouldn't draw before establishing a DEFINATE threat in a situation like that, not for the Hot Hollywood actress, the girl in the vid, or anyone else I didn't know personally for that matter. For me it's an issue of self dicipline and control.
Are you saying if you weren't armed at that moment you wouldn't help?
You want to be a Hero, but only at the least amount of risk to yourself and only if the odds were stacked in your favor.
A gun is not a source of power ???? It's not an instrument to carry out something moral?? Last time I checked, the gun is a souce of tremendous power, to either the good guy, or the bg. If the gun lets me defend someone else (I belive to be a moral act), then it is an instrument to carry out a moral act.I have often said that firearms, handguns in particular are mere tools. They are not sources of power nor are they instruments to carry out moral actions..
yes. - what are you some kind of hero, or a john wayne?Are you people afraid to approach a situation like that on your own unarmed?
more words of wisdom from a guy with 1500 posts. you're right!! the gun does give me a metnal sense of security when trying to stop a kidnapping or any other violent crime. If I enter condition yellow or red withOUT a gun, I feel mentally insecure.It doesn't take a pshchologist to see that people like mattro rely on their guns as a source of reinforced security. I'm speaking metally, not physically.
If it wasn't a hoax do you think it would have went this easily?The incident at K-Mart with these kids didn't involve firearms or a citizen approaching these people with a drawn weapon or anything like that.
Who said anything about handling all situations the same, and drawing a weapon everytime??? I don't in any of our replies that being said????So, if you truly choose to approach every situation the same way, that is, weapon drawn and such I'm not here to criticize that
USMCGrunt wrote:
So what happens when you find out the kidnapping suspect or rape victim you just helped is actually Cindy Sheehan? "Oops, my mistake guys, you can go ahead and keep this one. I didn't see anything."
Wow, so you would be willing to risk your freedom, your right to ever have a firearm again, not to mention your financial well being for both you and your family to defend the likes of Sheehan, Hillery, Rosie, Fienstein, et all? Ever think of what happens if the bad guy survives it and files a lawsuit or a fruity DA files charges against this "vigilante with a gun"? What happens to you and your family and for what, so these hipppie liberals can go on about their merry way? To be honest, if I seen Rosie O'donnel getting a bag tossed over her head in a Kame-apart parking lot, well, I don't recall ever having seen it happen and go about my business.