Bye Bye Elliot

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You can tell he's a Democrat because the hooker wasn't a guy. :D

If he wanted to pay for sex, at least have the decency to film it and sell it so it magically becomes a legal act.
 
Hoist by his own peterd (silent "d" BTW). Probably wouldn't have been such a big deal if he hadn't been such a vicious AG. Guess he never learned to be nice to the people on the way up 'cause you'll be meeting them on the way down.
 
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I feel extremely upset with the media complex that ferrets this sort of stuff out, and at our society that gets so enamored with it. These are private family matters and should remain as such. It makes me sick to know that there are people out there whose sole purpose is to try to make a spectacle out of a man or woman's moral indiscretions. This sort of junk food news has no business on the screen, and serves to do nothing but divert our attention from the real issues at hand throughout the world.
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Sorry but you are incorrect. This is not a matter as simple as an affair. As AG of NY this man attacked and jailed more than one high priced prostitution ring. One must wonder why he did not go after this one, were there others that were not prosecuted for personal reasons? How about the ones he did prosecute, why them?

I personally think prostitution should be legal but until that happens it is ILLEGAL. That is the reason Spitzer gave for prosecuting them in the first place. He broke the law and did so in a way that would give criminals damning evidence against him should they choose to use it. The man must go.

This slime then last year tried to get away with using taxpayer money to fund dirt digging investigations on his political adversaries in the legislature. When caught on it he made some bogus apology about not being properly understood. Spitzer has long been a defining sleezeball in politics.
 
So far on Tuesday morning he is not going quietly... Could this moron be arrogant enough to believe he can weather the storm or is he trying to cut a deal with the feds to resign and avoid prosecution?

He better move fast because the Reps in the legislature are going to rip him a new one if he doesn't.
 
He won't weather the storm - Is actually looking at potential jail time - He is holding out now for a plea bargin that will surley involve his resignation, but likley avoid seeing any time in Attica. He will weasel out of that - Scumbag!!!
 
Any one else see the humor in making a public apology for a private matter?

On the political note, there was no mention so far on three different newscasts that he was a Democrat. If he was a Republican it would be mentioned every time without fail. The media doesn't even pretend to be unbiased these days.
 
This about sums it up.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120519359147125705.html
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Spitzer's Rise and Fall
March 11, 2008

One might call it Shakespearian if there were a shred of nobleness in the story of Eliot Spitzer's fall. There is none. Governor Spitzer, who made his career by specializing in not just the prosecution, but the ruin, of other men, is himself almost certainly ruined.

Mr. Spitzer's brief statement yesterday about a "private matter" surely involves what are widely reported to be his activities with an expensive prostitution ring discovered by the U.S. Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York. Those who believe Eliot Spitzer is getting his just deserts may be entitled to that view, but it misses the greater lesson for our politics.

Mr. Spitzer coasted into the Governorship on the wings of a reputation as a "tough" public prosecutor. Mr. Spitzer, though, was no emperor. He had not merely arrogated to himself the powers he held and used with such aggression. He was elected.

In our system, citizens agree to invest one of their own with the power of public prosecution. We call this a public trust. The ability to bring the full weight of state power against private individuals or entities has been recognized since the Magna Carta as a power with limits. At nearly every turn, Eliot Spitzer has refused to admit that he was subject to those limits.

The stupendously deluded belief that the sitting Governor of New York could purchase the services of prostitutes was merely the last act of a man unable to admit either the existence of, or need for, limits. At the least, he put himself at risk of blackmail, and in turn the possible distortion of his public duties. Mr. Spitzer's recklessness with the state's highest elected office, though, is of a piece with his consistent excesses as Attorney General from 1999 to 2006.

He routinely used the extraordinary threat of indicting entire firms, a financial death sentence, to force the dismissal of executives, such as AIG's Maurice "Hank" Greenberg. He routinely leaked to the press emails obtained with subpoena power to build public animosity against companies and executives. In the case of Mr. Greenberg, he went on national television to accuse the AIG founder of "illegal" behavior. Within the confines of the law itself, though, he never indicted Mr. Greenberg. Nor did he apologize.

In perhaps the incident most suggestive of Mr. Spitzer's lack of self-restraint, the then-Attorney General personally threatened John Whitehead after the former Goldman Sachs chief published an article on this page defending Mr. Greenberg. "I will be coming after you," Mr. Spitzer said, according to Mr. Whitehead's account. "You will pay the price. This is only the beginning, and you will pay dearly for what you have done."

Jack Welch, the former head of GE, said he was told to tell Ken Langone -- embroiled in Mr. Spitzer's investigation of former NYSE chairman Dick Grasso -- that the AG would "put a spike through Langone's heart." New York Congresswoman Sue Kelly, who clashed with Mr. Spitzer in 2003, had her office put out a statement that "the attorney general acted like a thug."

These are not merely acts of routine political rough-and-tumble. They were threats -- some rhetorical, some acted upon -- by one man with virtually unchecked legal powers.

Eliot Spitzer's self-destructive inability to recognize any limit on his compulsions was never more evident than his staff's enlistment of the New York State Police in a campaign to discredit the state's Senate Majority Leader, Joseph Bruno. On any level, it was nuts. Somehow, Team Spitzer thought they could get by with it. In the wake of that abusive fiasco, his public approval rating plunged.

Mr. Spitzer's dramatic fall yesterday began in the early afternoon with a posting on the Web site of the New York Times about the alleged link to prostitutes. The details in the criminal complaint about "Client-9," who is reported to be Mr. Spitzer, will now be played for titters by the press corps. But one may ask: Where were the media before this? With a few exceptions, the media were happy to prosper from his leaks and even applaud, rather than temper, the manifestly abusive instincts of a public official.

There really is nothing very satisfying about the rough justice being meted out to Eliot Spitzer. He came to embody a system that revels in the entertainment value of roguish figures who rise to power by destroying the careers of others, many of them innocent. Better still, when the targets are as presumably unsympathetic as Wall Street bankers and brokers.

Acts of crime deserve prosecution by the state. The people, in turn, deserve prosecutors and officials who understand the difference between the needs of the public good and the needs of unrestrained personalities who are given the honor of high office.
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The criminality of this bothers me about as much as the criminality of having a pistol grip on an AK or the criminality of carrying a concealed handgun to LA.

Do all the griping you want. I stand by my original position.

This is a private matter and he was not hurting you I or anybody but himself. It is no one's business and people who feed off this nonsense are just as much to blame for the moral degradation of our society as people who do this nonsense.
 
This is a private matter and he was not hurting you I or anybody but himself. It is no one's business and people who feed off this nonsense are just as much to blame for the moral degradation of our society as people who do this nonsense.
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Sorry, you are completely lost. If he had supported the legalization of prostitution it might have SLIGHTLY mitigated his problem but that is not the case. He made his headlines by sending high priced prostitution rings to prison for BREAKING THE LAW. The man was AG for the state of NY and never showed an ounce of mercy. His goal was to destroy as many people as publicly as possible using the power of the AG office to do so in a long term plan to vault into the gov's office. Once there he continued to flaunt his power using NYS Troopers to conduct searches for dirt on political opponents. To top it all off he breaks all the laws he went after others for while AG.

He is a criminal. He is a moron. He needs to go.

Of course a hardcore dem will excuse any behavior, criminal or not, to protect one of their own.

Here is the next twist... Spitzer as Gov is a Super-Delegate in the Democratic party.
 
FYI, as a resident of NYS he was hurting me. His behavior, illegal, incriminating, and tied to organized crime, made him extremely open to blackmail. Who knows how deep the problem is? The man went after other high priced escort services but not this one? Why?
 
FYI, as a resident of NYS he was hurting me. His behavior, illegal, incriminating, and tied to organized crime, made him extremely open to blackmail. Who knows how deep the problem is? The man went after other high priced escort services but not this one? Why?
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Duly noted. Also why I pointed out I figured it should be on News in NYS. I don't see that it has any place other than a fleeting mention on the National Networks. Of course they are turning it into a money making ratings grabbing debacle. I bet they pull more money off adds played during this time than the Mob ever made off that whore they sold to the Governor.

Of course a hardcore dem will excuse any behavior, criminal or not, to protect one of their own.
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And before anybody starts turning this into a Party thing, I hate both parties equally. They are both filled with corruption and have both lost their way. So no Democratic comments, that will offend me just as much as a Republican comment. I'm more of a Constitutionalist.
 
Copenhagen, I'm afraid you miss the point. This one isn't as much about tabloid TV (which I agree with you about), it's about character.

His behavior speaks directly to his character.

You're letting your interest in promoting moral ambiguity inhibit your reason.

The guy's a hypocrite who denigrated his office and his family. That stuff SHOULD matter...and the press should report it to the electorate.

Character matters.
 
Muskateer I absolutely agree with you - This Gov is an idiot an the ultimate hipocrit in his latest actions. I am glad it went public and am glad he will be ridiculed by his poor actions and judgment, especially in light of his past history of busting prostitution rings.

Copenhagen - You're way off base on this one.
 
I don't see that it has any place other than a fleeting mention on the National Networks.
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When the executive of the biggest east coast state has to step down for doing what he previously locked people up for doing, it deserves at least as much attention as Brittany Spears' custody hearing or the solid month of coverage given the misbehaviour of a few prison guards in Iraq.

The interesting part of this for me is the effort to which the NYT went to downplay Spitzer's party affiliation.
 
FYI, Spitzer is a Super Delegate who was supposed to support Hillary... The Lt. Gov. is a legally blind black man who from everything I have heard has no major points against him (other than normal NY Dem/Liberalism). Spitzer is also essentially the head of the Democratic Party in NY.

What I do not know is... does his Super Delegate status transfer to the next highest Dem in public office in NY if he resigns and would the Lt. Gov. support Hillary or Obama?
 
I read the feds complaint and in it they quoted the hooker as saying he wasn't as diiFcult with her as he was with previous hookers. Something about he liked dangerous sex? So, I gather that his wife wasn't into whatever he liked? I think the press ought to delve into this angle further.:D
 
Also why I pointed out I figured it should be on News in NYS. I don't see that it has any place other than a fleeting mention on the National Networks.
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Well, let's see ... governor of one of our most influential states, which is home to our largest city, which happens to be the financial center of our economy, which influences the world economy, plus he's a man who injected himself into national politics when he and Hillary were aligned on driver licenses for illegals ... nope, no reason at all for national attention. :rolleyes:
 
I think when some people become this successful with money, power, etc they believe they are above it all and to a degree invinceable. This in turn causes a type of self destructive nature with the ability to sabotage oneself. I have seen it time and time again in the corporate and politcal arenas. I think his political career is probably over, but Marion Barry was convicted of a drug offence and came back to be relected mayor of D.C. Anything can happen when the voters are involved.
 
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