Bolt Action Rifle

If you're looking to save money and still get a good rifle, look for a used Remington 700. There are literally tons of them out there in 30-'06 and 270. maybe you will find one in 308. Better yet, you might find a nice post-'64 Winchester model 70 at a very good price. In a hunting rifle, the 30-'06 will do everything a 308 will do, and more besides.
Tula, schmoola... Real hunting ammo is the same price, whether it's 308, 30-'06, 270 Winchester, or 243 Winchester; and that's never more true than when it all goes on sale for Deer season. I'm talking basic Remington Corelokt, Winchester Power-Point, or Federal Power-Shok. Premium ammo and other calibers will be more. unless it's 30-30 or 223.
Myself, I would forget the 308, good as it may be. The real question of choice is between 30-'06 and 270 Winchester. That question would answer itself in the luck of whichever rifle just happens along. But that's just me. A 308 will serve you almost as well.
Shopping for used guns is more fun than shopping for new guns,....It less predictable, like, anything can happen.
 
Shooter2675, there's not much info on the web about the magazine issue. All the top ranked military team members shooting M14NM's as well as civilians shooting M1A's producing the best scores always checked out several magazines on their semiautos then set 3 aside that let the rifle shoot to the same point of aim; they were for rapid fire matches where reloading with a second magazine was required. With rifles testing sub 1/2 MOA at 300 yards with good commercial match ammo, a 1/4 to 1/2 MOA difference across magazines is easy to see by the best marksmen using metalic sights.

Same thing with AR platforms that became popular after their first use in competition in 1971 at the Nationals. After 'smiths learned how to build them with all the right parts and fits, they also would shoot sub 1/2 MOA at 300 yards with commercial match ammo. And the match winners and record setters did the same thing; get 3 magazines that shoot to the same point of aim at 300 yards for rapid fire matches.

If your AR-15 guys' can test their stuff at 300 yards getting no 10-shot group over 1.5 inches for a given magazine, they, too will see the difference between magazines printing the group at slightly different places relative to the aiming point. How many of them can do that?

It's all about how the magazines fit to the rifle and position themselves after each shot. If it's not the same each time, it changes the axis and direction the muzzle axis points as the bullet leaves the barrel. Doesn't take much to move bullet impact an inch 300 yards downrange.
 
That doesnt make any sense to me, because the only thing i could imagine would change the point of impact would be minor distortion of the round from feeding from a different angle. If fit of the magazine affected that, one would assume a double stack magazine would already have 2 distinct shot groupings as rounds alternate feeding from the left and right at a greater angle difference than any fitment issue could cause.... maybe its cause by some issue im not considering though.
 
It's the way the magazine box fits the receiver and/or the locking hardware that keeps it in place from shot to shot.

Same reason M1 and M14 and bolt action match rifles have a point of impact change if their bolt closing parts are not in battery exactly the same for each shot.

Never bump the op rod of a semiauto to "make sure" the bolt's fully closed on a chambered round.

Never have any resistance in chambering a round in a bolt action rifle.

If you can't shoot your stuff accurate enough to tell the difference, forget about it; you'll never see it.
 
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That doesnt make any sense to me, because the only thing i could imagine would change the point of impact would be minor distortion of the round from feeding from a different angle
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Anything that isn't consistant from one shot to the next can change POI
In most shooting situations it's just not enough to notice

With a large magazine, there can be a fairly big difference in the overall weight of the gun from the first shot to the last, which affects how it will recoil

The minor differences don't much matter until you extend the range quite a bit
 
Accuracy issues caused by parts fit variables subtends the same angle for all ranges. It's the muzzle axis angle differences, not any exterior ballistic issue variable that increases with range.
 
Bart B. The Remington 700 is not clip fed, but you can make it clip fed with a kwik klip Remington 700 conversion kit.

This isn't a BDL conversion kit for the Remington 700 it's just a trigger guard basiclaly but it make able for a clip. With the Remington 700 ADL it needs minor inletting but with the BDL you just slide it on.But personally I don't need a clip because I never use it if a gun has one cause I like to just single load it and at the range I go to its 3 in a clip so loading a clip in my opinion is wasting time. I can single load guns pretty quick so I don't like clips.

It also only works in the following calibers: .25-06, .264 Win. Mag., .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm Exp., 7mm Mauser, 7mm Rem. Mag., .30-06, and .300 Win. Mag. And I am getting a .308 so I can't use this.
 
The Remington 700 is not clip fed.... ?
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That depends on your definition of "clip."

SAAMI's glossary, which Remington' suscribed to being a contributing member, defines "clip" as a separate cartridge container to hold cartridges or shells in proper sequence for feeding into a specific firearm. It is a magazine charger, and unlike a magazine does not contain a feeding spring. Sometimes improperly called a Magazine.

Too bad for many the company naming that magazine adapter for the Rem 700 a "Kwik Klip" when it uses spring loaded magazines; their standard one's called an internal staggered box magazine as it cannot be removed in normal rifle operation.

The military M14 as well as the M1917 and M1903 rifles as well as all conventionally stocked commercial bolt action rifles used in high power rapid fire matches have a "clip guide" in their receiver bridge accepting 5-round stripper clips to align rounds to be pushed down into the rifle's box magazine. Rem 700's have box magazines.

Meanwhile, that Kwik Klip still allows some inconsistant fit of the magazines put in it. That'll cause slightly different muzzle axis pointing directions from shot to shot because the magazine will not stay in exactly the same place for each shot. As does any other loose part on a rifle.
 
Just for target practice an ADL(not made since 2004) will be fine. So what if the barrel is a hunting barrel? The whole rifle is a hunting rifle. A guy doesn't need to be shooting 'The Nationals' to have fun shooting.
"...What gun caliber to get if you already have a..." Rifles are tools. You need to decide what you want to do with the tool.
"...Rem 700's have box magazines..." Yep and Remington's marketing types insist on calling 'em 'clips'.
 
A guy doesn't need to be shooting 'The Nationals' to have fun shooting.
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....nor to get better.

I suggest you get as good as you can get with the rifles you have.

"...What gun caliber to get if you already have a..." Rifles are tools. You need to decide what you want to do with the tool.
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There's not much that needs doing that your current guns can't do adequately, if you are up to it.
 
BartB. I was talking about a magazine. I'm not sure if you can use stripper clips In a Remington 700? Can you?

I'm pretty sure the Remington 700 has a floor plate. Not a magazine.
 
zach, magazines can be internal, like the standard Remmy 700 ..... or external, which I think the "kwik clip" gizmo adapts the 700 for......

Around the gun community, "clip" generally refers to a piece of metal that keeps cartridges together in line, so they can be easily loaded into an internal (or external) magazine ..... think "stripper clip" or the en bloc clip for the Garand.
 
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Many magazines, both internal and external, have a "floorplate". The one on the curren Model 700BDL :

The Model 700 BDL features a hinged magazine floorplate
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The hinged floorplate makes it easy to empty the magazine without chambering all the rounds..... just push the little button on the side at the rear, and the floorplate swings out, dumping all the cartridges.

The one on my 50's vintage Model 721 is fixed, held on by screws. I gotta work the bolt and strip the cartrides from the mag, one at a time.

The floorplates on many external magazines (USGI M-16/AR-15, Wilson 47-D's for the 1911, Ruger MK22/45...) can be removed so the mag can be disassembled for cleaning. IDK what the Glock guys do ..... maybe they put them in the dishwasher when mamma's not looking?
 
Ok thanks Jim bob, I think I know what you mean by floor plate, I wasn't so sure what it was, my brother owns a Mosin nagant and the floor plate you pop of to unload the mag.

Thanks again,
Zach
 
to replace a barrel, say you get a used one for $75. It will have to have a smith take the old one off, unless you have access to a action wrench and a barrel vice, and the replacement barrel will have to be installed and set of head space. that will require some machine work and that will run in $250 range, give or take $50.

Take a look at a savage. That gun is much easier to switch barrels on. No machining required. All you need is a barrel nut wrench, head space gauge and your in business. There is a lot of advantages in having a switch barrel gun.
 
Lucas, yes the savage guns are easier to switch the barrel but if I don't need to switch the barrel of the Remington 700 ADL which I hope I wont for years the Remington 700 ADL is a better overall gun than a savage for the price.
 
zachattack2,

Remington 7XX rifles have had a clip guide milled into the front of their receiver bridge for decades. Made 'em look just like Winchester 70 National Match rifles that had one. Later Rem 40X match rifles had them as well as some other standard bolt action rifles.

Otherwise, a clip guide was screwed onto the bridge.

Here's some pictures of Remingtons with clip guides milled into their bridge:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=clip...r=all&tbm=isch&q=clip+guide+for+remington+700

First one in the upper left hand corner is a screw-on type fitted to the bridge.

Fourth row down has a picture of a loaded 5-round stripper clip ready for a thumb to push the rounds down into the magazine.

Most of these were designed so after charging the magazine with 5 rounds, the bolt was closed and that pushed the empty clip out the top so it fell to the ground.
 
the Remington 700 ADL is a better overall gun than a savage for the price.
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I'm curious to know why?

Years ago this was probably true...Not nowadays.

Ever since a remington was bought by Freedom Arms Group, who also owns Marlin, Bushmaster, and many others, they have struggled with quality control issues across all of the manufacturers they own.

Among most shooters nowadays, for Remington's to equal an out of the box Savage, will typically require a new trigger ($100+), bedding the action, and free floating the factory stock or replacing it with a good aftermarket stock.

Remington has a bigger list of aftermarket parts available, but Savage is catching up.

Nobody takes a stock Remington 700 of any model and wins 1,000 yard matches... Remington was the rifle of choice for a long time. For a long time there weren't many other choices like there is today.
 
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