Best out of the box?

That Savage seems hard to beat, However the 700 is a good choice as well. There are just so many rifles to choose from, it's almost impossible to pinpoint just one. I'd vote for that Savage just because I have a Mark II, which I love :)

They're right. .308 and .30-06 will give you great flexibility with how you want to shoot. I THINK (don't quote me on it) that the .308 is a little more capable when it comes to range, and usually, 30-06 is a little more powerful, but will never have a problem at 500 yards with a rifle like that Savage. Of course, hot .308 loads can be as powerful as a 30-06 if I'm not mistaken. Even still, .308 is just as capable when hunting.

I think that for you, I'd probably say .308, although it really wont matter much.

Just my .02, but hope that helped a bit.
 
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Oh yeah... I really like .30-06

You can say what you want but the .30-06 has proved itself over & over throughout the years. In my opinion it's the finest caliber that's ever been made.

I have plenty of other rifles/calibers but I use my Savage 110 .30-06 when I wanna get the job done right.
 
Quite often business politics is involved when an agency or department goes with a firearm. Remington also spends more money on advertising, promotions and PR.

Both are considered to be good and accurate rilfes, but I give the nod to Savage - especially as of late. I do not know that the Rem 700 of today is the quality it was a few years ago. The Savage is also known for having better out of the box accuracy than the Rem 700.

I also believe the rate of twist in the Savage .308 rifles is 1 in 10" where the Rem 700 heavy barrel varmint I believe is 1 in 12". However, the Rem 700 you are looking at has a 26" barrel.
 
The Remington 700 SPS in .308 has a 26" 1 in 10 twist barrel and weighs 7.25lbs if I remember correctly. They are selling here locally for about $545.
 
Yeah, my dad just picked up a Remington 700 SPSV. It has a 26" barrel. It's a super nice rifle. It also costs a couple hundred more than a Savage.
 
A little history, and some opinion, too...

Starting back about 100 years ago (damn thats a long time today, isn't it?) the best sporting bolt action rifles were Mausers from the prestige makers, and Mausers and Springfields from good custom smiths. Then came the Winchester 54, and a bit later the model 70, and the Remington 30. Yes, there were others, like the Newton, but in general the bolt gun buying public (which wasn't all that big at the time) would choose Mauser, Win or Rem.

After WWII, competition heats up and through the 50s several new rounds and some new rifles are introduced. Get into the 60s and the public sees Winchester (until the big change in the model 70 in 64) as prime, Rem's new 700 as fine, and is starting to notice Ruger by the early 70s. Savage plugs along, but their bolt gun line is not hugely popular, and is considered a "budget/bargin grade" bolt gun.

Winchester shot themselves in the foot (commercially speaking) when they redesigned the Model 70, and while the new rifle became a good gun, it had a rocky start. Remington's Model 700 wound up with the lion's share of the prestige and market for a long time. Its a good gun, and was offered in a huge number of calibers and several useful variations. Remington got police and military contracts and gave them a pretty good rifle. Nothing succeds like success.

The Ruger 77 held a strong 3rd place for some time, but fell short overall (rumor had it) due to the mediocre quality of their barrels. Individual guns could be quite accurate, but over all the nod went to the Remingtons.

Somewhere around 20 years ago, somebody at Savage really did some thinking, and around a decade ago it really began to show promise. A lot more care seems to be going into their barrels and other design changes (including the new trigger system) really changed the accuracy of the line.

Instead of being average to good, today's Savage bolt guns seem to be taking top spot for their accuracy. To me they still look homely as a mud fence, but they do shoot sweet, generally.

If you are looking for a varmint rifle or paper puncher, then special finishes, (and to a degree size and weight) are of little concern. How it shoots is the primary thing.

Quite different from a rifle that only shoot minute of deer, but one you can actually shoot minute of deer with, after walking all day, and climbing that 3,000ft slope in 38 degree weather.

I recommend you study different cartridges, their performance (and their cost), before settling on a specific rifle.

Also a quick word about scopes. High power scopes are attractive, but not easy to shoot well with, at high power. For me, anything much above 9-10x and each beat of my heart makes them little lines jump around. And heat shimmer becomes a problem too. I have high powered (18-24x) variables on a couple of my varmint guns. Set 'em on low to look for things, high to look at things, and around 8-9x to actually make the shot. A higher setting actually makes it harder for me to make an accurate shot (field conditions). Your results may be different.;)
 
Remington website says the 26" heavy barrel .308 varmint is 1 in 12" rate of twist. However, you should get a little extra velocity to help stabilize.
 
As far as rifles go, either the Savage or Remington would be a good rifle. I tend to think the customer service at Savage is better as well as not needing to use their customer service. I have 3 Savages and all were out of the box super accurate.

As to caliber of cartrage, it will depend on the type of use that you will be using the rifle for. Bargain basement ammo is not the most accurate and unless you reload your own ammo, it will be from cheap to very expensive.

If you are only going to hunt, you can get away with purchasing one or two boxes of the expensive stuff and keeping your rifle put up till you go hunting.

However, if you want to go to the range OFTEN, that will be another matter.

Here are some of the prices of CHEAP ammo.

223 Remington 7.99 20 $0.40
7.62x39 Russian 6.09 20 $0.30
7.62x54 Russian 14.99 20 $0.75
6.5 Grendel 15.99 20 $0.80
308 Winchester 16.19 20 $0.81
5.56x45 Nato 149.99 420 $0.36
45-70 Government 27.29 20 $1.36
8x57 Mauser 15.69 20 $0.78
7x57 Mauser 14.39 20 $0.72
303 British 15.29 20 $0.76
7mm-08 Remington 15.29 20 $0.76
22-250 Remington 12.99 20 $0.65
6.5x55 Swedish 14.59 20 $0.73
30-30 Winchester 20.69 20 $1.03
6.8 SPC Remington 18.89 20 $0.94
30-06 Springfield 15.29 20 $0.76

This will add up to many dollars the more you shoot.

The least expensive way is to go 22LR for your first rifle, not one you can use for hunting except for squirrels and other small game, but one that will allow you to shoot a lot without going broke.

The next choice would be something in 223 that would cost you about half of any other caliber. While I am not a proponent of the 223 for military use (too light a bullet), I am a fan of the 223 for varmint hunting up to about 60 lbs animals.(very effective for that purpose)

The only other choice would be a SKS or AK-47 type rifle in 7.62x39 (they do make bolt action rifles in that caliber) that would allow you to shoot on the cheap with Wolf ammo or some such brand. But are not known for their accuracy.

Good luck.
Jim
 
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So what model savage is you guys' favorite? Just give me a couple guns to look up that you guys just love...if you own it and can tell me how it shoots, that'd be even better.
 
Savage Model 12 FVSS in a 223. Im at work now but i could post a pic that would blow your mind. Very very tight groups. A penny covers 5 shots at 200 yards. Savage Model 10 FC in a 308. Also a very accurate rifle. Golf ball groups at 300 yards. Well ok 9 out of 10.Where does that one flyer always come from:D
 
Best so far is 4 to 6 inch groups at 600 yards off a rest. Im the looney toon that is going for 1 mile with it next year. After making a post about that i am finding out that i am nuts to think i can do it.. Oh Well have to try any how.
 
4-6? Dang, thats really pretty good for 600! Ha a mile?!? That's a looong way! As I'm sure you know, that's just a ton of variables, but heck, why not try it? Let me know if you do it! My goal is to eventually hit a 1000 meter shot, I think that would be spectacular. Out of the box though, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch.
 
Yes it is and im thinking ( i Know) Im the looose crew in here.Everyone in here is most knowlegable than me for sure and saying give it up,But i have to try. Im slowly starting to think it is going to be a bad day for me,but im a stubborn German and have to try anyhow. Keep iin mind both of my rifles are Target or varmint rifles not hunting rifles.
 
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Oh ya, these guys are smart...I just came here to learn...im 15 lol. But I did some research on your .308 fc and it seems a bit out of my price range. How much did it cost you, if you don't mind my asking? Hah ya man, why not? I mean you're not hurting anything.
 
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