Automatic weapon

Would you choose an automatic weapon for HD?

  • Yes

    Votes: 45 26.0%

  • No

    Votes: 128 74.0%
  • Total voters
    173
I'd take the full auto without hesitation.

I think most of the negative responses are due to people not having access or training with them to know. The comments about "hosing", or "pray and spray", "shooting at 100 yards", just shows that many dont have a clue of how they work or when to use them.

Like anything else, they are simply a tool and you need to know when, where, and how to use it.

With just a little training, people who would have difficulty shooting a 12GA loaded with buck, will have no troubles making good, fast hits on targets at realistic ranges.

Most pistol caliber SMG's are also a lot lighter and more compact than your average "riot" type shotgun. They are easier to maneuver and shoot quickly with (especially in tight spaces). This goes for everyone too, but especially for people of smaller stature.

They are also quicker and easier to load/reload, and if the need should arise, you can go from 0 to 50 yards (or more), without making an ammo change. Even if the gun doesnt have a selector, many guns will give you a one round "burst" if you know the gun and trigger.



Another thing that amazes me here is , how afraid and influenced by politically correct ramblings about "overkill", "over penetration",or "what the DA will say", etc.

First and foremost, who cares what the law or public opinion says, the idea is to win the fight, not worry about the possible consequences afterwords. If you have anything but the prize in mind while all this is going on, then you stand a very good chance of losing it, and for what, political correctness?

I have to wonder sometimes about some peoples priorities and mindsets, or lack thereof.
 
Yes.

I'd use one for home defense, no problem. I think my HK MP5SD would be excellent for home defense.

Unfortunately, it is worth too much money to risk its loss to LEO confiscation following a shooting. Even if I get it back, no telling what its condition would be.
 
I'll say not for me and here's why. I'm very firm in my belief that a high capacity pistol is best for indoor work. Easier to do other things with a free hand and also, should you get jumped somehow, it's easier to keep a pistol pointed at the BG reather than a long arm. And also, my walls are thin...with a fully automatic, no telling who or what else will look like a screen door! :D

My M4 is the weapon of choice for outside work.


But the thought IS mighty tempting.....especially if I can have an H&K MP5 w/ 3 shot bursts!
 
its a probelme because your using exessive force. some states ( ive heard, only stater i know for sure is my own) you can only respond to a threat with lesser or equal force. say your attack with a knife, then you can only use a knife or hands to defend yourself. pumping 20-30 rounds intoa BG is excessive force. usually they consider more then 3 to be excessive, along with shooting someone in the back
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i think you might want to look into that. if someone comes at you with a knife, they are threatening the use of deadly force; therefore, you are authorized to use deadly force to stop that threat. deadly force is authorized (and i'm sure this is the same in every state) when there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to yourself or someone else.
 
It's very simple...

Very few people understand the proper tactics or techniques to employ full auto safely or effectively. I voted yes, but I have been through several tirehouses using live ammo full auto. The question is too vague. In a home, an MP5 or similar weapon might be appropriate. On my farm in Arkansas, a SAW or similar might be appropriate. An MP5 wouldn't work on the farm as well as a semi auto AR-15. A SAW wouldn't be appropriate in the house...But it would be FUN, FUN, FUN!!!!!:D:D:D
 
please dont ignore assumptions in OP

Excessive force, DAs, Legalities etc....GUYS did you even read the OP? I have held these concerns constant to purely focus on tactical aspect. Plus you dont know how many BGs, so how can you go with a 6 shot shotgun or 1911?
And one of you made a comment regarding third world s***hole. Entirely uncalled for.
 
Plus you dont know how many BGs, so how can you go with a 6 shot shotgun
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That's why you practice stuffing fresh shells in at every opportunity with tube-fed shotguns.:)

Also, I just got some 12 round magazines for my Saiga 12 that function perfectly. If one were to go that route, they would have 12 instantaneous "bursts" of eight to twelve projectiles, where someone armed with an automatic rifle with a 30 round mag practicing good trigger discipline would only have 10 non-instantaneous bursts of three projectiles. Seems like a pretty even matchup, with the shotgun having the advantage at close to moderate ranges.

When you consider that the shotgun is easier for most people to shoot well compared to a full-auto rifle, that's another factor in the shotgun's favor.

Shotguns are nothing to sneeze at.
 
I like my Taurus Judge for HD, short, and controlable, with a laser grip and 2 #6 shot, with a couple 000 bucks following, it will tear up an intruder.
 
When you consider that the shotgun is easier for most people to shoot well compared to a full-auto rifle, that's another factor in the shotgun's favor.
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I believe this to be just the opposite, and especially when the full auto is a pistol caliber gun.

Shotguns loaded with buck or slugs are not easy for "most" people to shoot well, but especially for women or children. You have to practice to be proficient, and I can pretty much guarantee, that after 25 rounds of buck or slugs, that "most" will tell you to take the shotgun and shove it.

Pretty much anyone can shoot an M16 or MP5 or something similar all day, actually accomplish something without going down hill as you go, and have fun doing it to boot.


I have both, SMG's and 18-20" barreled shotguns, and I shoot them both on a fairly regular basis. The older I get, the less I like the shotguns. Just tired of the bulk and beating I guess. An MP5 is a lot easier to shoot well and move around with and is a lot more precise at longer distances. Its also a lot easier to get a red dot on. (a couple of my shotguns have night sights on them too. Whats the point of this type gun if you dont?)

The best shotguns for this type of thing would be one of the 14" Benelli's or something similar. But then what you gain in handling, you loose in ammo capacity. If all you have time to grab is the gun, what would you prefer, 4-5 rounds of buck, or 30 rounds of 9mm or 5.56?

I know, silly question. :)
 
I would rather pick mp5 sd or M4 with a suppressor. I just dont like to ruin my walls with shotgun shells and lets say the battle moves to outdoors i am at disadvantage with every yard of growing distance.
 
Damage control?

I wonder what your home owners insurance agent would say as you are turning in your claim for all the bullet holes starting in the bedroom and exiting out of the sideing of the house, through walls. windows, refrigerator, kitchen sink, the microwave and coffee pot and for that matter just about everthing else in the path of your spray.

There may be some damage to the house with a shotgun but I have to imagine a heck of a lot less with well a placed shot verses a full auto spray. Just my 2 cents.
 
The original poster Specifically Stated that "Cost and the Law"]were not considerations.
Why do so many posters chose to ignore the actual question or circumstance as stated in a thread and therefore lose entirely what the questions original author intended.
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Thank you. If they weren't a consideration than you shouldn't have to worry about the courts in this alternative world. Also, as far as excessive force goes, are you sure that that applies to home invaders in your own home? In my state when I am in my home or place of business I do not have to retreat, but can defend myself with deadly force when in imminent danger.

Spray and pray is what i do when I aim a shotgun in the general direction of the bad guy and hope it takes him down. I agree with the poster who said that shotguns are harder to handle. I am not saying shotguns aren't the way to go, but I just don't feel as comfortable with one, which is my opinion. When shooting a FA weapon you only fire in short bursts or take the three-round burst option. I would love to have this option.
 
Spray and pray has nothing to do with the gun, thats a user issue and lack of training. With any of them, you shoot the target, not at it.

If your worried about holes in the wall or your appliances, or what someone else might think, your heads in the wrong place and not in the game.
 
Being in California, we're not trusted by Sacramento with selective fire so this is strictly academic. I'm inclined not to use one if I had one. Remember, your gun will be seized as evidence until you are cleared of an unlawful homicide. In the meantime, it'll sit uncleaned in the evidence room. I'd rather not lose an expensive weapon when a semi can do the same job.
 
No, if there is somebody standing outside my bedroom door, the kid's room is the backstop.

Maybe if I ****** off the mob or something. . .
 
An MP-5 is incredibly easy to control, so I suppose if cost and the law were no object, why not? You've got all the advantages of any long gun, and it's compact and controllable.

That being said, my $150 870 is no slouch.
 
Shotguns loaded with buck or slugs are not easy for "most" people to shoot well,
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Sure they kick more, but that's not the whole story. Just about everyone I know has not only fired a shotgun, they have some experience hitting moving targets with a shotgun. Only a very small minority or people I know have any experience at all with automatic rifles.

They kick more but just about everyone knows how to use one in rural America. If I tossed a full-auto AK to a random person in my area, chances are slim that they would be able to hit anything with it.

I've been shooting shotguns since I was big enough to pick one up, but I could count my full-auto experiences on my fingers and toes without running out of digits. I sure know which one I would be more comfortable handling in a stressful situation.
 
I understand where your coming from, and your also making my point about not having the experience with the automatics to know the difference. The majority of shooters dont have the exposure, experience or training with one, and that is an unfortunate thing. Its a simple skill to learn, and most get the basics down in just a mag or two.

I've taught a lot of people to shoot full auto over the years, and its actually a lot easier than you might think. Women and kids are usually the easiest and fastest learners. They are also the ones most likely to shy away from the shotgun. The technique works for all of them, and once learned, its very easy to do.

Believe it or dont, but the people I've had the most trouble with, have been ex military. Amazingly enough, most knew very little, or seemed to have "forgoten" anything they did know. My kids did better at 6 than most of them did. Men seem to have more of the ego thing going too, and its to their detriment. I've come to the conclusion that more have learned from the movies than the military. :)

Give me about 15 minutes and a couple of mags, and you wont want to look that that shotgun again, except for hunting. :)
 
I think the key with the shotgun is to get away from the full-power buckshot, and substitute reduced-recoil buckshot, such as the Federal with the Flight-control wad. It patterns a lot better too.
 
In my time I have used m-16's full amd semi-auto, Thompsons, M-60's, Grenade launchers, Pistols, Revolvers and hunting rifles. In our urban areas unless you have to make 200yard shots, rifles of any kind are crazy. If you can't handle a situation with a hand gun and or a shotgun you are better served having a safe room in the basement with a cellphone speeddialed to 911.
 
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