ATF: Reclassification of M855/SS109 ammo as armor-piercing

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And what gave you the notion I did not heed your warning?

"in pace, ut sapiens, aptarit idonea bello"

I can't think of any other 15 year Olds who personally wrote their representatives regarding the issue. Or the ATF even, for that matter. Still, I remain vigilant. I have their contact info and plan to write them again tomorrow suggesting they oppose this bill.
 
Time for everyone to once again make the people on Capital Hill hear your voices, pturner67 offered.

I had never noticed that there was a time to do otherwise, but I might have missed something noteworthy. When the people stop or cease "contacting" their elected representatives, they will well and truly deserve the rotten results that they will most surely get.

By the way, while, from time to time, some suggested doing away with the "ATF". If that were done, unlikely in my view, their firearms related activity would only end up elsewhere, possibly in the hands of an agency with more "stature", who might be just as hostile to guns rights, and or subject to political pressure as the ATF is or has shown itself to be. What, I submit, is needed is the following. Concerted pressure on our elected representatives to put the BATFE on the shortest of short leashes, respecting their firearms related activity, and keep them there. Obviously, existing law needs to be changed, which would be another application of constituent pressure.The potential for constituent pressure is there, but the pressure must be exerted, year round.

Thanks for your attention.
 
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AAR: ATF received over 310,000 comments regarding the proposed ban of M855. That is roughly 100,000 comments a week until ATF backed off the proposal and another 10,000 after that - and all of this for a "Notice" that was not published in the Federal Register and was only given 30 days for commentary (and published the afternoon before a 3-day weekend in D.C.)

Source: http://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-received-more-than-310000-comments-on-ammo-ban/

In short, ATF did everything humanly possible to slide this under the radar and they got a response that is record-breaking. That is over 15 times the response that the Shotgun Importation regulation received (over 90 days and with publication in FR) and over 30 times the response that ATF-41P received (again with 90 days and publication in FR).

That goes a long way in explaining ATF's sudden about face on this issue.
 
The bill has six co-sponsors and stands a one percent chance of becoming law.
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It's still early. Rangel and Maloney are on board. This part is sneaky:

a projectile that otherwise would be armor piercing ammunition shall (...) be considered to be primarily intended to be used for sporting purpose if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun
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The bill leaves "sporting purposes" up to the Attorney General's discretion.
 
a projectile that otherwise would be armor piercing ammunition shall (...) be considered to be primarily intended to be used for sporting purpose if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun

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Oh how the weasel words flow
 
from Bartholomew Roberts, thank you sir.


AAR: ATF received over 310,000 comments regarding the proposed ban of M855. That is roughly 100,000 comments a week until ATF backed off the proposal and another 10,000 after that - and all of this for a "Notice" that was not published in the Federal Register and was only given 30 days for commentary (and published the afternoon before a 3-day weekend in D.C.)

Source: http://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-rec...s-on-ammo-ban/

In short, ATF did everything humanly possible to slide this under the radar and they got a response that is record-breaking. That is over 15 times the response that the Shotgun Importation regulation received (over 90 days and with publication in FR) and over 30 times the response that ATF-41P received (again with 90 days and publication in FR).

That goes a long way in explaining ATF's sudden about face on this issue.
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The devious nature of the Obama influenced/controlled ATF is once again prominently emblazoned on the horizon, for all but the blind to see and note. While the Good Guys won this fight, pardon me for repeating myself, the war is far from over. Never forget, and do not hesitate to use the contact addresses, and phone numbers of your elected representatives, 2 U.S. Senators plus your Congress person. By the way, to those who expended the small effort involved in contacting the BATFE, voicing objections, thank you. To those who didn't, shame on you. Lest I forget, a large thanks is due to those who brought this latest scam to our attention, for without their efforts, this thing might well have slipped by.
 
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We really need to get one of those posters of every cartridge according to size mailed to these people. This notion of selective ammunition bans (especially if done by named chambering) is even more moronic than the assault weapons bans they freely admit were utterly ineffective and embarrassingly ill-conceived.

"stands a one percent chance of becoming law."
It's a whole lot less than that.

TCB
 
It's a whole lot less than that.
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At the moment, yes. But what if we get a few folks claiming it's just moderate, "common sense" legislation that "respects the 2nd Amendment?"

Something like this can be made to look very harmless and innocent to uninformed voters.
 
Heh heh heh. Not if it involves banning all FMJ 5.56. Sorry, the anti's lost; there's a whole lot more of us 5.56 shooters than there are of them at this point. I'm not saying they aren't still dangerous opponents, I'm saying that like handguns and "assault weapons," this ship has long since sailed at the federal regulation level. That's why the enormous outpouring of opposition to the ATF flooded in.

I fully believe those ivory tower fools in DC truly believed there weren't enough shooters to defend against this type of measure, even if they were somehow smart enough to see it for what it was ahead of time. Back in the 80's, they'd probably have been right (ref: Hughes Amendment). Not now. Trying to ban the most commonly shot ammo in the most commonly shot chambering in the most commonly purchased firearm was a big mistake.

The only bigger bonehead move they could've pulled would be for Obama to announce he's rescinding the sporting use exemption for 20ga and larger shotgun bores, requiring practically all shotguns to be registered/taxed as destructive devices effective immediately. We all know they wouldn't dare pull that one on their own, and now we all know they don't dare try to ban something as commonplace as a standard NATO loading long available to us.

TCB
 
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It's a whole lot less than that.


At the moment, yes. But what if we get a few folks claiming it's just moderate, "common sense" legislation that "respects the 2nd Amendment?"

Something like this can be made to look very harmless and innocent to uninformed voters.
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We undoubtedly will get those "few folks" so claiming. Of course, some still claim that the earth is flat, and some will actually believe such hogwash, which brings me back to something I offered earlier, please excuse my repeating myself. We need to maintain frequent contact, to say the least, with our elected representatives, U.S. Senators and Congress Persons on matters that one would expect, would be of concern to us. Failure to so do will, I expect, prove very costly.
 
Yup, that's how LEOPA was passed in the first place. But, this time...we're here. The masses will not go uninformed again on gun issues if we all do our part.

Think about it; a seemingly minor bureaucratic interpretation slipped into some random non-standard registry with a scant four week comment period is exactly the kind of slick move that'd have cleaned our clocks even a decade ago.

Today, we can generate a number of opposition emails in unison that rivals the population of large nations. In the same four weeks (or actually, less, since it wasn't till the last two that the ball really got rolling). What we all just saw was the type of popular revolt defused and accommodated peacefully through our beautiful system of divided powers, that would otherwise pile up into a history of repeated injuries and usurpations until it could be tolerated no longer.

TCB
 
B Todd Jones has just resigned.
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I don't know if it was a result of the backlash from the M855 ban, but the coincidence is hard to discount. When he testified before the Senate appropriations committee last week, he looked like a man who realized he'd jumped in the deep end of the pool without realizing it.

Now would be a good time to reach out to elected officials and ask that they block confirmation of any future directors.
 
Take care not to over-credit the legislative process as being able to short-stop this venture.

The idea has ancient roots in the concept of the “rule of law,”
which has been understood since Greek and Roman times to
mean that a ruler must be subject to the law in exercising his
power and may not govern by will alone. (snip)

…it became increasingly apparent over time that the rule of
law demanded that the operations of “making” law and of
“putting it into effect” be kept separate…. But when the King’s
power was at its height, it was still accepted that his “principal
duty . . . [was], to govern his people according to law.” (snip)

…it was generally thought that the King could not use his
proclamation power to alter the rights and duties of his
subjects…. but he could not of his own accord “make a law
or impose a charge.” (snip)
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We have [now] overseen and sanctioned the growth of an administrative
system that concentrates the power to make laws and the power
to enforce them in the hands of a vast and unaccountable
administrative apparatus that finds no comfortable home in our
constitutional structure.
http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...olarship_by_justice_thomas.html#ixzz3V1dcXYLk

Bottom Line: You are witness to a sea-change in the history of the American experiment.... one I was never taught in 9th grade Civics so long, long.... long ago.
 
"Bottom Line: You are witness to a sea-change in the history of the American experiment.... one I was never taught in 9th grade Civics so long, long.... long ago."
That is a most insightful comment. I think most of us have known something strange is happening, but this is the most articulate statement of what we are witnessing. It's frightening to realize that it may be too late to stop the change.
I have great fear for my country.
 
I agree that we need to send a message to Capital Hill. But last Novembers election was a pretty strong message. They just don't seem to be listening.
 
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I agree that we need to send a message to Capital Hill. But last Novembers election was a pretty strong message. They just don't seem to be listening.
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Too true. Unfortunately, even many of the Republicans we elected in hopes of stopping the anti-gunners don't seem to understand why it was that they prevailed in the last election.
 
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