ATF: Reclassification of M855/SS109 ammo as armor-piercing

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From Bart's link, at 1:01:30, Dianne Feinstein is griping about how the NRA makes it easy for terrorists to buy guns and explosives. Problem is, she's grilling the FBI director Comey, who has nothing to do with that and seems bemused.

At 1:08:30, Senator Murphy (CT) is doing his best to give Jones an attaboy for trying to remove the "exemption" for M855. He, of course, name-checks Adam Lanza.

At 1:46:15, Jones discusses additional funding for the NFA branch in West Virginia, citing over 1 million applications in 2014.
 
^^Above Link^^
"Speier is also planning to introduce her own piece of legislation next week
that would more broadly ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition."
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Fat Lady hasn't even warmed up on this one.
(Remember boys & girls... it's for the children)
 
It would appear Jones and ATF thought they could pull this off with impunity, based on how synchronous the idea is with The Regime and Democrats in Congress.

Broadly restricting ammo in CA was tried a few years ago with AB962, which failed in court for being so vague it was unenforceable.

That the 5.56 round is so rarely used by criminals is something the Dems don't want to talk about. It's not "common sense" at all that police are endangered by this round.
 
That the 5.56 round is so rarely used by criminals
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But, but, but..I see the bad guys on TV and in the movies with M16s ALL THE TIME!!!! (or AKs, or....SMGs...)

I'm sure the ATF and Congress does too!

If POTENTIAL criminal misuse is a valid reason to ban something, (and I don't agree that it is) better ban politicians too. Along with fire, rocks, and, oh, don't forget to repeal the law of gravity, as well.
 
It would appear Jones and ATF thought they could pull this off with impunity, based on how synchronous the idea is with The Regime and Democrats in Congress.
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That's pretty much what the bit from Senator Murphy was. He was implying that ATF regulation could serve as a replacement for the failed legislation they were pushing in 2013.
 
It's all about the AR15. That's it. When this fails, they'll go after single point slings, or something. Tunnel vision. They cannot see past the AR15. Every proposal will be based around it.

TCB
 
The ammunition ban is off, for now. Another gambit will likely be tried. Remember that the snakes still lurk in the grass, and they are still poisoness.
 
Just a ploy

to get people to go out and buy up all the 556/223 ammo they can find. I bought some more, just in case. Also, found some Italian ammo at Walmart 50rds/$8.xx. We'll see if it's worth a darn.
 
If it's Fiocci, it's good stuff.

I think it's amusing that they only try to pass these laws when they have no chance of success.
 
NJgunowner said:
I think it's amusing that they only try to pass these laws when they have no chance of success.
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I'm not amused. :mad:

I believe that this whole thing was a charade designed to implant three deceptive ideas in the minds of people who don't know enough about guns to know any better:
  • Commonly sold 5.56 ammo is somehow better at piercing body armor than other ammo
  • Criminals pack AR pistols with said armor-piercing bullets for the sole intended purpose of perforating cops (footnote: AR pistols are e-e-e-v-i-i-i-l)
  • The administration can't do anything about it because of the somehow all-powerful "gun lobby"
I believe that the proposal was intentionally withdrawn at this stage because it might fail on its merits if it were to proceed further, thus demonstrating that the emperor has no clothes. The withdrawal effectively cuts off debate. :rolleyes:

This is a VERY clever partisan dog-and-pony show that could come back to bite us in the long run if we don't do an effective job of EDUCATING the general public about the issue.
 
I think it's amusing that they only try to pass these laws when they have no chance of success.
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First off, it wasn't a law being passed. It was a regulatory interpretation being changed. Those are two very different things.

Second, somebody seemed to think it would go through. After watching Director Jones' testimony, it appears he wasn't warned what a backlash it would generate.

Third, had it not been for the backlash, it probably would have gone through. We need to keep an eye out for future attempts along these lines.
 
Third, had it not been for the backlash, it probably would have gone through. We need to keep an eye out for future attempts along these lines, wrote Tom Servo.

I submit that the case could not likely have been better put. One hopes that the comment makes a worthwhile impression. Thank you sir.
 
Tom I was referring to Steve4102 post about the democrats trying introduce new legislation to ban the ammo since the ATF dropped it.
 
In post 261, Tom Servo noted the following:

At 1:46:15, Jones discusses additional funding for the NFA branch in West Virginia, citing over 1 million applications in 2014.
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Anyone ever come upon a government agency that didn't seek more, be it money, personnel or grander trash baskets for it's management?
 
Posted 12 hours ago:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...backin-the-form-of-a-new-bill-from-democrats/

"Four House Democrats have taken the Obama administration’s idea of a regulation to ban a widely used kind of ammunition — one it had to pull back because it was so unpopular — and turned it into legislation.

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) introduced the Armor Piercing Bullets Act, which he said would ban the sale of “.223-dervied, 5.56x45mm NATO ‘green tip’ rounds” that are commonly used on the AR-15 rifle. That’s the same ban that the ATF proposed in February, through the adoption of a “framework” that would justify a ban on ALL bullets that can pierce police body armor."

And the anti-ban legislation:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-legislation-prohibiting-atf-rifle-ammo-bans/

"On Monday, Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) put forth legislation banning future ATF rifle ammo bans.

Titled the Ammunition and Firearms Protection Act, the measure would make certain that ammunition “intended, marketed, and sold for rifle use” falls out outside the ATF’s purview."
 
Mosin-Marauder said:
Out of the frying pan...
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That's why I cautioned you, several posts previous, that we cannot relax just because the BATFE backed off -- "for now."

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; ..."
 
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