ATF Project Gunrunner

As I have commented before,here:I can only put together one reason why this Fast and Furious operation happened.
It was intended to create international outrage over violence in Mexico via guns traveling through US gun dealers.
That international outrage would be used to drive through gun legislation.

If there is another line of thought that connects the dots I'd like to read it.

It would also take a "willful suspension of disbelief" to accept the White House and Attorney General had no knowledge.

So,now I ask,what sort of events were the 2000 AK-47's supposed to be connected to in order to generate this outrage?

I do not think it was shooting road signs.

No.The guns walking into Mexico were to generate outrage over tragic,senseless acts of slaughter.

That happens in Mexico.The drug cartels practice terrorism.I have seen pictures of rows of decapitated heads on a dance floor,bodies dissolving in barrels of lye.

Its not just criminal versus criminal.The decent,law abiding citizen is as likely to be the victim.

I work in an elementary school.My "every day" is about the kids,the teachers,the parents,the playground.

My grandaughter started Kindergarten this year.

The Mexican people in Mexico ,where our government walked the AK-47s,the Mexican people in Mexico,they love their children,too.And their mothers,and fathers,sisters,brothers.They bleed the same,they cry the same.

I hope you will think deeply about what Fast and Furious really means.

And the incredible hypocrisy.

Where does the political theatre stop?
 
HiBC asks at the close of his post:

where does the political theatre stop

Given Friday's shooting, it likely does not stop, at least not during this administration, possibly not in any administration, but most likely not during this one.
 
You may remember George Gillett. He was the #2 guy for the Phoenix field division during Fast & Furious, and he was castigated by Issa for "failure to ensure proper supervision."

Back around Thanksgiving, Mexican beauty queen Maria Susana Flores Gamez and five others were killed in Sinaola. Guns from Fast & Furious were found at the scene.

Interestingly enough, one of those was an FN FiveSeven pistol, which was traced directly back to Mr. Gillett. Now, by "directly," I mean directly.

Gillett purchased the weapon at Legendary Arms, a Phoenix gun store. On the federal form 4473 used to buy the gun, Gillett used the ATF office address, 201 East Washington, and said "Apt 940." On subsequent purchase, Gillett used a commercial address, that of a strip mall.
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Yep, he lied on the form. What's more, he claims he later sold the gun privately to someone over the internet. Naturally, neither Gillett or the ATF has any comment on the matter.
 
Tom Servo/Jim Peel:

It might be described as "do as we say, not as we do". As to the sale of this PISTOL, assuming that a background check was required, was one actually run. In addition, might Gillett have been "doing business without a license", or might this be considered as something along the lines of that often mentioned "gun show loophole"?
 
I prefer to think he was doing straw purchases, knowingly selling guns to Mexican drug lords. It's plausible, and it fits my prejudices.
 
I'm glad to see this show up, hopefully it'll redirect some heat to where it belongs if the media will cover it. Holder's already been given a pass, but maybe it'll still have some positive (for us) effect on "lawmakers".


Fast And Furious Scandal: Man Claims To Have Shot U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
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http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision...man-claims-shot-brian-terry/story?id=18242489

A Mexican national claims to be the man who shot and killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, whose death is tied to the "Fast and Furious" gun-walking scandal.

Gustavo Cruz-Lozano, who says he killed Terry, turned himself in on Wednesday on charges related to a separate incident: threatening to kill Hidalgo County, Texas Sheriff Lupe Treviño.
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I saw where the Terry family attorney expressed some skepticism about the claim because this guy's name had not popped up earlier. I also understand there are those who sometimes confess to crimes they didn't commit. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on this. Nevertheless, it underscores how much we still don't know about Fast and Furious.
 
Seriously to fight disclosure this hard on a failed and cancelled operation can have no other effect than to look highly dubious... This cannot instill confidence in any citizen.
 
Seriously to fight disclosure this hard on a failed and cancelled operation can have no other effect than to look highly dubious... This cannot instill confidence in any citizen. [/QUOTE

+1.
I wish Issa and the congress would put Holders feet to the fire until his socks smoke. There is something in those documents the administration does not want the public to know.
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I am still amazed by the treatment of F&F in comparison with the treatment of Watergate.

When I was a kid, I looked up to journalists. That rarely happens, anymore.
 
Or the treatment if F&F compared to Manti Teo's girlfriend. I think we know every meal this kid at over the last year and they were able to obtain it almost overnight.
 
I see that the government has asked for an indefinite stay of the suit by Judicial Watch. The grounds?
The only justification Holder uses to ask the court to indefinitely delay Judicial Watch’s suit is that there’s another lawsuit ongoing for the same documents – one filed by the U.S. House of Representatives.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...xecutive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents.

So, because the House of Representatives also believes certain F&F documents should be released to them, that's a reason to stop the Freedom of Information lawsuit? :confused: :confused: Somebody help me understand the logic of that.
 
If this is seriously off-point, forgive me, but re what I understand to be Obama's nomination as "Permanent Director of ATF", the gentleman who has been äcting", is this another of the usual dyed in the wool anti gun/anti gun rights types, or might this guy be more legitimate.
 
It looks like the House and DOJ are still negotiating to avoid a lawsuit.

Following the January 10, 2013, Status Conference, the parties have continued to engage in settlement talks. Without divulging the substance of those talks, the talks are progressing sufficiently such that the parties believe that further talks may be fruitful. Accordingly, the parties believe that, in order to enable the parties to focus their efforts on settlement and avoid the potentially unnecessary expenditure of judicial resources, the hearing on the Motion to Dismiss should be rescheduled for the week of April 15, 2013, or at such other time as may be convenient for the Court and the parties.
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