ANOTHER school shooting?!

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Why don't we solve the problem like we solve everything else?

1 - Make it illegal to shoot a gun in school
2 - Make it illegal to possess a gun in school
3 - Make it illegal to possess a picture of a gun in school
4 - Make the penalty expulsion.

Then let's have the congressman who wrote those laws do a school shooting!
 
Why don't we solve the problem like we solve everything else?

1 - Make it illegal to shoot a gun in school
2 - Make it illegal to possess a gun in school
3 - Make it illegal to possess a picture of a gun in school
4 - Make the penalty expulsion.

Then let's have the congressman who wrote those laws do a school shooting!
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Then as punishment, he can go to the Betty Ford Clinic. Obviously he isn't accountable for his behavior... it must have been that nasty evil GUN that was lurking in the dark recesses of his closet!
 
my best suggestions would be:

1. Arming/training of those teachers and principals that volunteer for it (similar to airline's pilots). I'm sure atleast one or two teachers would volunteer for that in the average size school.

2. More police presence on campus.

3. Educate the children. They run fire drills and disaster drills, why not extend that to shooting drills (taking cover, where to go, etc.).

4. Make physical violence something that is basis for severe punishment
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Except in this particular case none of this would work. The amish are religious pacifists. As a matter of faith they trust everybody. If you tried to protect them like this you would be violating their first amendment rights. (I guess 1 and 4 wouldn't violate their rights, but they are options that probably wouldn't be used)
 
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O....MY.....GOD.....

WildistheresomethinginthewaterAlaska
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Yes... It's called sickening frustration that our society's young are being held hostage by both disgusting psychos intent on molesting or killing our children, coupled with liberals that refuse to allow a different tactic to be tried. They hold their "gun free" zones up as trophies of accomplishment in the face of failure.

We are all shouting "It's all so FRACKING SENSELESS!" As loud as we can, and we want to fix it ourselves or have it fixed by someone else... but we want it fixed.

AZRedhawkBSGFan44
 
This thread stays open for the moment only because two pertinent threads on the school shooting have been merged into it. Unfortunately, the original premise was a Democratic Party Conspiracy Theory to encourage the deaths of children for election year gains.

Before any man or woman even responds to my comment, think about this:
Is this the direction you would have the parents of these dead kids see us take? If so, continue to allow the de-evolution; I'll lock it right quick. Regardless of whether you support or refute the original premise, ANY further participation in that aspect of this thread is a disservice to this site.
Rich
 
Dear Christ in Heaven, not again....

As I've been a cubicle rat for the past 8-1/2 hours, I didn't hear about this until I came home this evening and turned on WGAL-TV8. This horror scene is about 30 miles from home.

Dear God.

Current stuff as of 1811 hours today - six confirmed dead (including the flaming coward of a 'gunman'), balance (six) in various trauma centers in Hershey and Philadelphia via air medical transport. Just got a report on one 13-year old that is now out of surgery, and in recovery recognized her parents. First good sign from a horrific afternoon.

And Doug.38pr, that "overly decorated South American general posing as a cop directing the press conference" is the head of the State Police here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Colonel Jeffrey Miller. In all the stress of the day, dealing with unbelievable destruction of children's lives, he relayed as much information as possible, in the most professional manner possible, at times nearly to the point of "losing it" with the emotion of the moment while describing how the shootings took place, the news that you're so gleefully shredding in this thread.

I've worked for many years as a deputy coroner and EMT, and have seen more than my share of this crap. At any of the scenes I've worked that someone has been killed at the hand of another (husband kills wife and kids, kills self; son kills father and mother, kills self), there is no "trying to make sense" of what happened. There is no joking at the scene of "yea, that was gun control" or "yea, the anti-gunners made another statement tonite with this grouping" or any of the other offensively off-topic drivel that's been in the thread so far.

Take a moment to read what you're about to post. IIRC, Capt. Charlie's sig line says it best - "TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does your post make you?" Take the advice to heart before hitting the "submit" button.

And before you ask the question "what lit my fuse"?, I'll answer it for you. Gun owners are supposed to be a highly responsible lot in the gene pool here on Earth. That means that when something like this happens, it's not fodder for offensive comments, flaming attacks, or insipidly stupid commentary about conspiracy theories that wrap three times around the globe and back.

Unless you've had to sift through crime scenes with bodies everywhere, blood and tissue dripping off the walls and down stairs, listen to blood-curdling wails of grief from relatives, and see up close and personal the promises of young lives snuffed out with the pull of a 5-pound trigger in the hands of some deranged pile of protoplasam, you'll never understand where I'm coming from.

If you're of the religious sort, a prayer for the families and victims wouldn't be out of order, either.....


HiPowering Along
 
I wouldn't call it a de-evolution. I would call it an evolution of this thread towards something that is an unfortunate reflection of some people on this board.

I think its just an emotional response though, and these people don't really believe the things they are saying.
 
My thoughts on this school shooting is that if a teacher or any other adult there were allowed to have a CCW, he/she could have stopped that guy from shooting multiple kids. You know if you look up all states laws on CC and look at the off limits areas, every state lists schools off limits to CC. It`s just stupid to me. Now I know the Amish have different views than us. They may not believe in carrying guns, I don`t know.
I heard on the news a reporter talking about having trained resource officers in schools. That makes sense, but do they mean armed officers?
 
It's natural to cast about for an answer as to "why?!?".

Gawd knows I did some searching after Columbine. Something about children getting murdered with careful forethought in their schools got to me, even before I was a parent.

When confronted with a tragedy like this, we all want to know what went wrong, and how we could have stopped it. Some wild ideas come to some people's minds, and unfortunately, they speak them and write them before they've really thought about them fully.

Friends, it's okay to be angry.
It's okay to be afraid.
It's okay to be frustrated.

But don't for a bleeding second believe that you've got the answer all tied up in a bow (if only the rest of the world would just listen to you). Because I'll tell you right now-- if it were that simple or you were that smart, you wouldn't be typing it here, and more people would be listening to you, with rapt attention. I, for one, would be taking copious notes and dedicating my life to the cause.
 
I just watched the 10:00PM news in my area. They had a report on how parents in Guilford county are worried about their kids well being in school. That's perfectly understandable to me.

Then in the next breath they start talking about the "school resource officers" and how they are equiped with radios & phones:rolleyes: . No mention about whether or not they might have CCW's on them but I doubt it since they went on to say that the SRO's DO have tasers on them & the school board might take them away over "safety issues":barf: :barf: :mad: .

I went to my library recently & noticed a security guard standing around. He's unarmed & 64 years old if he's a day. What good is he against a determined killer with a 12 gauge? None. Just a waste of tax money that could go to building more zoos.

It's a sad state of affairs. :( :(
 
Unfortunately, the original premise was a Democratic Party Conspiracy Theory to encourage the deaths of children for election year gains.
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With all due respect, I did not offer a conspiracy theory: I asked what people thought might happen IF something such as this ever DID turn out to have been a conspiracy. Those are NOT the same thing. Besides which, I don't really go in for conspiracy theories.


-azurefly
 
Leaving the general 'ick' of much of this thread behind for a moment ...

Long Path is correct: nobody has a good answer for these situations. If one existed, we'd all be trying to implement it ASAP.

That said, thinking about the several school shootings of the past week or so, a serious discussion of school security and safety is needed, just as a serious reappraisal of airport security was needed in the wake of 9/11. It needs to be addressed, although I confess I haven't the foggiest idea about how to proceed except to rule out one of the more obvious suggestions.

CCW in schools - not going to happen. Just look at the ruckus caused by placing armed individuals on airliners after 9/11. It strikes me as distinctly ludicrous to believe that a few school shootings suddenly is going to alter public opinion drastically to allow faculty and school staff to carry weapons of any sort. Railing on about how custodians and teachers should be allowed to carry, that one of them could have stopped any of these incidents as easily as they might intercept boys smoking in the bathroom (and nobody should pretend for a second that they know what exactly happened in those classrooms), not only is a waste of time on an argument that has no realistic hope of winning, IMHO, but probably will be seen as an attempt to capitalize on a tragedy to advocate a political agenda, regardless of the truth of the charge and regardless of what 'the other side' does. Many parents do not trust teachers now: what possibly makes you think they will allow them to be armed?

Rather, trying to allow teachers and school staff to CCW probably will be seen as a weak political play, and one that will only serve to paint gun owners as fringe advocates of radical and dangerous ideas, not realistic solutions to a real problem (again, regardless of the correctness of that assessment). It marginalizes us in a way I don't think most of us want to be marginalized. Jokes about liberals whining about evil guns and "It's for the children!" are self-serving at best - it is about guns and it is about children in the public view, and frankly in reality. If gun owners want to see their rights protected, then they need to be seen as part of the solution, and part of a real-world solution that doesn't involve allowing the gym teacher to pack a .45, precisely because those people packing the .45's are seen in many quarters as contributing to the problem with their insistence on their rights above perceived threats to the public safety. If gun owners are not seen as part of the solution, they will be seen as part of them problem, or rather, they will continue to be seen as part of the problem.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's how I see it. Like I said, I don't have a clue about how to solve this problem, but it is a problem, and answers that center on guns, in either direction, probably will lead down roads nobody here wants to travel.

BTW, I'm no Amish expert here, but many of them do own guns, primarily for hunting.
 
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With all these school shootings, as a parent, decisions have to be made. How to make schools safe? Most schools have an open-door policy for all; even if visitors have to register the doors are pretty much open for any lunatic that wanders in. What to do?

Armed guards? Armed teachers? Armed students? I favor the former; armed guards should be utilized to a greater extent. Possibly even station a police cruiser at entrance of every school by law.

I would also like to see students become more reactive though that may be fantasy... a group of students beating the crap out of visitor intent on doing harm might help...
 
Most schools have an open-door policy for all; even if visitors have to register the doors are pretty much open for any lunatic that wanders in.
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I don't know about this, most public schools I'm aware of have very strict policies, at least in theory, for registering and controlling visitors.

Possibly even station a police cruiser at entrance of every school by law.
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Already a fact of life at many schools.

I would also like to see students become more reactive though that may be fantasy... a group of students beating the crap out of visitor intent on doing harm might help...
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How would the students distinguish visiting parent from threat, until it was too late? How does an unarmed student combat an armed intruder? What happens when your school district goes broke from the lawsuits brought by the parents of children who were killed and injured after being encouraged by the school to attack someone who entered their building?
 
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...most public schools I'm aware of have very strict policies, at least in theory, for registering and controlling visitors.
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Apparently not... three schools this week allowed walk in visitors with tragic consequences!

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...How would the students distinguish parent from threat, until it was too late?
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Think Flight #93! I mean this literally... classroom teachers at the local level need to address the issue of an intruder and plan some sort of response... not capitulation but reaction. Every teacher should discuss the issue of an intruder and possible means and measures of response... simply letting an intruder have their way with students is not acceptable....
 
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